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Old 07-21-2012, 09:53 AM   #1
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Professional No limit hold em, Hold em theory and practice

I've already read harrington on cash and just bought PNLHE and TAP, was wondering which one i should read first?

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Old 07-21-2012, 02:14 PM   #2
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Re: Professional No limit hold em, Hold em theory and practice

just to add a bit to my question. I've read people recommend PLNHE then TAP and TAP then PLNHE

one argument i've read is that TAP develops specific hold em theories (provided you have a decent knowledge alright) and then PLNHE helps you with decision making process. Sounds like a fair enough comment to me, any opinions for those who have read it?
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:42 PM   #3
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I have read both and value NLHE:TAP more highly than the strategy and fundamentals provided by PNLv1 so I would recommend it first but you could go the other way around without making a mistake. Honestly, I don't think it matters much.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:14 PM   #4
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I think it's personal. For me, I found the ideas in TAP (and it is a book of ideas, not a book on how to play) to be:
a) important
b) intuitively obvious

In a sense, they are reminding you to do what's +EV, but without telling you what that might be exactly. Here's an example. Let's say you have the nuts on the river and are checked to heads up. How much should you bet? Should you bet the amount you think your opponent is most likely to call? Or should you bet the amount that gets you the most money on average over a large sample of hands (i.e. most EV)? It's the latter. But you still don't know how much to bet. It doesn't give you answers so much as tells you what questions you should be asking.

If this is the sort of thing that gets your mind alive, then go for it.

For me, I found the practical advice in PNL (especially SPRs and how to play with stack commitment) extremely valuable and practical. It has never been given that treatment before and it's super important. This books gives you a way to actually calculate how much to raise with AA depending on stack sizes, or how much you can call with 22, for example.

Both books are unique and I'd read them both. You'll get more out of one than the other, see which it is.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:40 PM   #5
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seriously.. if you are intending to read both, I don't think it really matters which you read first.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:46 PM   #6
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what does PNLHE stand for
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:50 PM   #7
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dont worry, just bought both
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:56 PM   #8
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Professional no limit holdem by Ed Miller.
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Old 07-25-2012, 01:07 AM   #9
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Professional no limit holdem by Ed Miller.
Professional No-Limit Hold 'em, Volume I by Matt Flynn, Sunny Mehta, and Ed Miller is more accurate.

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Old 07-25-2012, 03:02 PM   #10
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PNLHEv1 and NLHTAP are probably the best NL books on the market. Read first PNLHEv1, then NLHTAP. The most important thing I learned from these books is to don't listen to those NL teachers who say to make the same size raises no matter what hand I hold. The SPR chapter from PNLHEv1 is a masterpiece. I have a friend who crushes medium stakes and he only read 2 books: PNLHEv1 and NLHTAP.
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Old 07-26-2012, 07:37 AM   #11
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I have a friend who crushes medium stakes and he only read 2 books: PNLHEv1 and NLHTAP.
How long has he been playing?
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:08 AM   #12
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Read first PNLHEv1, then NLHTAP.

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Old 08-03-2012, 12:15 PM   #13
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What is Stack to Pot Ratio? I'm not understanding what the purpose of it.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:59 PM   #14
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What is Stack to Pot Ratio? I'm not understanding what the purpose of it.
By comparing your remaining stack postflop to the size of the pot, it's a way to gauge the relative value of a hand by explaining how much money you should be comfortable putting in the pot post flop in different situations. It's also a guide to adjust your bet sizing to avoid putting yourself in trouble spots.

So it's a way to mathematically know how much of your stack you should be willing and/or want to get in preflop with different types of hands to make them profitable.

A few examples:

If you have a hand like AA which usually makes one high pair, you want to avoid SPRs near 13 because it sets up spots where opponents can easily bluff you. Of course the lower the SPR the better - getting all in preflop with AA is great.

With suited connectors and pocket pairs, you want very large SPRs so you have good implied odds when you hit, or alternatively, you want SPRs close to 13 so you can bluff your opponents in spots where they have top pair type hands.

It's been a long while since I've read that stuff, so hopefully I accurately represented it.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:49 AM   #15
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Thanks BatsShadow... That's how it is in the book. I went back and reread it so that I could get a better understanding.
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