I got this book a few days ago and love it so far. The info is pretty solid and will take a moron player into an intermediate one pretty quickly.

It's not perfect as I found some of the hand example and quiz answers to be a bit off but it gets you thinking about the right things.

Jeff, can you comment on a couple things. First page 88 at the bottom you repeat the same paragraph you had above Second, on page 141/142 in Hand #14, question #4, I am unsure if you really have the right answer here. If the player betting the pot has the nut straight like he most likely does then you have only 11 outs at most and he may actually have some cards near there like a K etc which lowers your number of outs even more and with the other player calling the flop, it is likely he also shares some of your outs. I think this is a clear fold on the turn.

Keep us posted if you find anymore repeating paragraphs. Thanks.

I found another book error it seems. Page 144/145. Hand #16. On page 144, Question 2 states the flop is QsTc9d which has no flush draw. On page 145, Question 3's answer mentions the opponent who called on the button could have been on a flush draw which makes no sense since there wasn't one. The only reasonable hand he could have had that folded was top 2 pair or the same KJ straight (which is less likely as you have it and he may have raised the flop with it) since he isn't now folding a boat and there are no draws on the flop.

Outside of these small errors though I haven't seen much wrong strategically with the book. It has really solidified a lot of my PLO knowledge from personal play. I'd say I like the hand examples a bit more than Reuben's since these hands I'd actually play preflop and his preflop hands are mostly garbage. I'm patient unlike him and can wait for a good hand. Not to say Reuben's book isn't good. I got a lot of value out of it as well.

This is a great book I think. I learned some things from it. It could benefit from a higher retail price, I think the $15 price point ($10.17 on amazon for me) sort of detracts from its value like if you saw Godiva chocolates on sale at Wal-mart.

So you measure something's worth by how much it costs and not how good it is?

Hey Doc T River, you misinterpreted my post. I am sorry about that.

I am commenting on a business decision which is unrelated to the quality of the book. Thanks.

I really fancy PLO but there are no mid limit games at all . If you want to play you need to go to the larger rooms and play high stakes which (95% of us cant afford as a learning curve.
Geez I am so pissed by all this NL mentality that sticks like a fly on sh*t.
I want to play POKER. I have a broad interpretation of what is a poker player.
Geez I`d be happy with a little PLH sometime but it just cant be found.

As you say it is a business decision. Lyle Stuart, the publishing house, prices most of the poker books I have seen from them in a range from $14.95 to $19.95. Most of the books the length of Hwang's book are $15.95.

I bought this book about a week ago. I liked the chapters on Limit o/8 and pot limit o/8. The book is well written and easy to follow. I think it's worth buying.

Hey, just got back from a cruise...

The repeating paragraph is, of course, a printing error. There are a number of them -- I think this might be the function of the publishing process being rushed a bit (the book was originally schedule for an April 2008 release; I turned in the manuscript in July). I'll have a list on my website soon.

I suppose it could go either way on the turn. That said, there are a couple of other possibilities and factors. For example, the blind my have two pair or a set, and he may call. You also have position, and may have implied odds if you make the straight and your opponent bets the river, or if he checks and you can represent a bluff. Alternatively, the board could pair on the river and you could represent having drawn at a full house if the bettor checks the river, so you might have more outs than just making the straight.

Jeff

I made a mistake. I'm thinking there should be a two-flush on the flop but not of your suit. Thanks for the catch.

Jeff

I suppose the major overriding factor will be how well the books sells, but do you foresee a corrected edition which takes care of all these printing errors?

Thought of another question for Jeff. You say the book was not due out until next year originally. Can you share with us what pushed it up?

You're right; I would say the second print run will see those errors corrected. I have no idea when that will happen, but hopefully sooner than later. Actually, I made corrections to the cover last spring which for whatever reason were not made. For example, the flop on the front cover should be Js-Td-3s giving the nut flush draw, rather than Js-Td-3c. Also, the bullet points on the back cover should more prominently indicate that the limit Omaha Hi/Lo and PLO Hi/Lo sections are key features of the book, rather than a footnote.


Nothing on my end. I remember back when I signed the contract, I figured I'd have it done in the spring and it would be ready in time for the WSOP (2007), but the publishing process seems a bit more complicated and prolonged than I thought (usually when I write, the stuff gets published the same day). I was originally supposed to have the manuscript in by May 15, 2007, but then I thought it would be beneficial:

A. to add the limit and PLO Hi/Lo sections
B. to have more practice hands, which would come from the Scotty Nguyen Poker Challenge in Tulsa in late May and during the WSOP in June.

So I ended up finishing it and sending it in late June (I might have said July earlier), and then I had the copy-edited version back to the publisher within the next couple of weeks, and then the page proofs I think late August/early September. But anyway, by the original contract I was suppose to have it done May 15 with a scheduled publishing for April 2008.

I guess somewhere the publisher decided to move up the publishing date to January.

Jeff

How about an errata list for the ones who have already purchased the book?