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Old 02-21-2017, 07:57 PM   #1
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Poker and More: Unique Ideas and Concepts discussion thread

Hi Everyone:

Let's make this the official discussion thread for our soon to be released book Poker and More: Unique Ideas and Concepts; Strategy, Game Theory, and Psychology from Two Renowned Gambling Experts by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth.

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and here's the Table of Contents:

About David Sklansky...v

About Mason Malmuth...vii

Introduction...1

Part One: Strategy...3
...Introduction...4
...Facing the Threat of Future Bets...5
...Free Card on the Turn?...8
...It Doesn’t Always Depend...12
...Should You Check Behind on the Turn with Your Draw to the Nuts?...15
...Semi-Bluffing and Big Bet Games...18
...A Note on Strategy ...22
...A Simple Hand...25
...Two More Hands...29
...High Card Errors...33
...Poker Claims...36
...Two Terrible Plays...40

Part Two: Game Theory Related...45
...Introduction...46
...Expert Non-Optimum Random Strategy...47
...Exploiting with Randomness...52
...A Slightly Contrived Example...57
...Bluffing to Stop a Bluff...62
...Multi Street Bluffing and Bluff Catching...66
...GTO and Collusion in a Three-Handed Toy Game: Part One...69
...GTO and Collusion in a Three-Handed Toy Game: Part Two...72
...Norman Zadeh’s Simple GTO Game: Part One...75
...Norman Zadeh’s Simple GTO Game: Part Two...80
...Norman Zadeh’s Simple GTO Game: Part Three...85
...More on Multi-Street Game Theory...88
...Pot-Limit Omaha Nut Flush on the Turn?...91
...Simple Non-Poker Game Theory...93

Part Three: Technical Ideas...97
...Introduction...98
...An Introduction to Hold ’em “Ranges”...99
...Ties Matter...104
...Why Amateurs Wrongly Think Poker is Mainly Luck...107
...Bunching: Part I...111
...Bunching: Part II...114
...Inflection Points...117
...Seven-Card Stud Versus Texas Hold ’em...121
...My Most Important Article Ever...124
...Exploiting a Hold ’em Machine Rule...127
...A Note on Badugi...130
...When Your Bet Lowers the Odds...132

Part Four: Tournaments...137
...Introduction...138
...Adjusting for a Tournament...139
...Chips Changing Value in Tournaments...142
...Bubble Strategy Anomalies...145
...An Implication of the Modern Tournament Prize Structure...148
...When the Antes are “Eating You Up”...151
...Moving In Against the Blind...154
...Tournament Experts Versus Live Game Experts...157
......Tournament Skills...157
......Live Game Skills...159
...Dinner with Dan and Bill...161

Part Five: Psychology...165
...Introduction...166
...Real Poker Psychology — A Few Clarifications...167
...Some More Confused Poker Psychology: Part One...174
...Some More Confused Poker Psychology: Part Two...178
...Some More Confused Poker Psychology: Part Three...181
...Some More Confused Poker Psychology: Part Four...184

Part Six: Other Topics...189
...Introduction...190
...New Breed Versus Old Breed...191
...A Few Predictions Revisited...194
...Modern Poker...198
...Applying DUCY? Thinking to Two Current Events...203
...How I “Invented Caribbean Stud”...207
...“Playing the Players” in the Stock Market...210
...Who Should You Believe?...213
...Uneducated Innovators from My Past...216
......Jim Hughes...216
......Bob Stupak...217
......Harris Steinhardt...217
......Ernie Lunati...218
......When to Go For It...220

Conclusion...224

Best wishes,
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Old 02-21-2017, 08:38 PM   #2
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Interesting cover, the full title is not overpowering and the mixure of fonts is appealing, but the cover overall is a little busy.

In comparing the original TOC to the most recent TOC, I noticed there were some changes with the elimination of the Annie Duke chapter being the most prominent. Who's chapter was that and why was it cut?

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Old 02-21-2017, 09:19 PM   #3
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Interesting cover, the full title is not overpowering and the mixure of fonts is appealing, but the cover overall is a little busy.

In comparing the original TOC to the most recent TOC, I noticed there were some changes with the elimination of the Annie Duke chapter being the most prominent. Who's chapter was that and why was it cut?
Hi AI:

I'll be adding the correct Table of Contents.

The Duke chapter, which was written by David was dropped because we felt it was too much like a book review and we didn't want book reviews in this book. I also had written several essays of book reviews that we did not include.

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Old 02-21-2017, 09:35 PM   #4
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Interesting cover, the full title is not overpowering and the mixure of fonts is appealing, but the cover overall is a little busy.

In comparing the original TOC to the most recent TOC, I noticed there were some changes with the elimination of the Annie Duke chapter being the most prominent. Who's chapter was that and why was it cut?
Its not understandable without her book in front of you. Plus Annie just married a billionaire and knows Trump as well. I am not looking to live in Israel at this stage of my life.
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Old 02-21-2017, 11:08 PM   #5
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you guys sure like that gun, huh?
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Hi AI:

I'll be adding the correct Table of Contents.

The Duke chapter, which was written by David was dropped because we felt it was too much like a book review and we didn't want book reviews in this book. I also had written several essays of book reviews that we did not include.

Best wishes,
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Hopefully, David's review will make it into the magazine in the future or you could do Mason's Book Reviews with special appearance by David Sklansky the next time you have a gap in publishing.

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Its not understandable without her book in front of you. Plus Annie just married a billionaire and knows Trump as well. I am not looking to live in Israel at this stage of my life.
Which book?

I am not sure how good of friends Duke and Trump are.
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you guys sure like that gun, huh?
Hi Mom:

There's a little history with the gun. In 1976, 11 years before 2+2 began, when David's original hlod 'em book was first published by Gambler's Book Club, they put a gun on the cover. In 1988, when we published the first edition of Hold 'em Poker for Advanced Players, we carried on the tradition and also put a gun on the cover, and it has been with us ever since appearing on a bunch of our books.

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Hi Mom:

There's a little history with the gun. In 1976, 11 years before 2+2 began, when David's original hlod 'em book was first published by Gambler's Book Club, they put a gun on the cover. In 1988, when we published the first edition of Hold 'em Poker for Advanced Players, we carried on the tradition and also put a gun on the cover, and it has been with us ever since appearing on a bunch of our books.

Best wishes,
Mason
It is so nice you talk to Your Mom.

The issue, I think, is the pistol is so large.

The chips in the corner are on the large size also. And what is up with the placement of the 2 = 2 = 4 playing cards?
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:24 PM   #9
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Because Real Poker Psychology had been the last 2plus2 book I read and there is a section on that in this book, it was the section I was looking forward to most. As I have since started reading Fuzzy Thinking, it is now a tie between the psychology section and David's story on Caribbean Stud.

It may be awhile before I can post it due to other commitments, but I will be doing a review of Real Poker Psychology and the psychology section of this new book after i have read the new book.
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Old 02-25-2017, 11:27 PM   #10
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Its not understandable without her book in front of you. Plus Annie just married a billionaire and knows Trump as well. I am not looking to live in Israel at this stage of my life.
Don't worry David, we'll protect you.
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do you know roughly when it will be released?
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do you know roughly when it will be released?
The 15th of this month.
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I want to pre-order this book, but I'm in Canada. I can't preorder on Amazon . com
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I want to pre-order this book, but I'm in Canada. I can't preorder on Amazon . com
You could check with professional poker or the two plus two store to see if they are taking pre-orders.
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:15 AM   #15
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Re: Poker and More: Unique Ideas and Concepts discussion thread

Hi Everyone:

Here's a quick update.

All the files for the Amazon kindle have been approved and everything has been submitted to Amazon. So the kindle could be up as early as tomorrow (Wednesday 3/15/17).

The binding has been postphoned a day but is scheduled for tomorrow night. So we should have books on hand on Thursday 3/16/17. And as soon as we get the books, we'll start shipping them out.

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Hi Everyone:

Here's a quick update.

All the files for the Amazon kindle have been approved and everything has been submitted to Amazon. So the kindle could be up as early as tomorrow (Wednesday 3/15/17).

The binding has been postphoned a day but is scheduled for tomorrow night. So we should have books on hand on Thursday 3/16/17. And as soon as we get the books, we'll start shipping them out.

Best iwshes,
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Thanks for the update. I still dont know where I can find the book in Canada. I also send you a PM with more questions.

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Hi Everyone:

The kindle is now up on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XNS97SS...poker+and+more

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Hi Everyone:

For those who have ordered paperback books we now have them and will be getting them shipped out. And for those who want to order from Amazon, I suspect that in about a week they'll start to show that in addition to the kindle, the paper back version of Poker and More is in stock.

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Hi Mason, may I ask you why this book is avalable through Amazon Unlimited?
Obv you are know what you are doing, I just wondered what the thought process behind it. I always thought this option will generate a low income overall, but I might be wrong.
Care to dig a little bit?
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Hi Mason, may I ask you why this book is avalable through Amazon Unlimited?
Obv you are know what you are doing, I just wondered what the thought process behind it. I always thought this option will generate a low income overall, but I might be wrong.
Care to dig a little bit?
Hi General:

It's an experiment for us. But we think your comments are probably correct and will know for sure in a couple months.

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Hi Mason,

I've just ordered your new book at Amazon. The estimated shipping date is May 8, but you mentioned that the book is in stock. Do you think the shipping date will be much faster instead?
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I've just ordered your new book at Amazon. The estimated shipping date is May 8, but you mentioned that the book is in stock. Do you think the shipping date will be much faster instead?
Hi Stuntman:

Yes. On our daily report from Amazon, they're now showing the book to be in stock. So, I think, you should get it soon.

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I've just ordered your new book at Amazon. The estimated shipping date is May 8, but you mentioned that the book is in stock. Do you think the shipping date will be much faster instead?
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Yes. On our daily report from Amazon, they're now showing the book to be in stock. So, I think, you should get it soon.

Best wishes,
Mason
I preordered the book from Amazon and at the time of publication, it was originally showing the arrival date being anywhere from April 4th to May 8th. I got it yesterday.

By the way Mason, the most glaring typo is you saying Real Poker Psychology was published in 2005.

The biggest issues I have with your psychology section of the new book, which is the same as the issues I have with Real Poker Psychology is you are wrong on sleep, wrong on diet, and wrong on tilt.

I was hoping the clarifications section of the new book meant you realized your error.

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