It's better than charmin.

this is wat i think, mmm hmm

I think this is an extremely important point that has been largely overlooked in this thread.

If one were to go out and buy the 10 "best" $500+ NLHE ebooks, study them all relentlessly, and then put out a mass produced $29.99 book that incorporated all of their thoughts, would that not destroy the market for these ebooks(assuming the author of this mass produced book is competent enough to understand and communicate the material)?

Ive bought several thousand dollars worth of coaching, including this book, from Tom. Im also no longer a coach at leggopoker nor do I offer private coaching anymore. For whatever reason they havent taken my name down which is their choice.

I don't think the target audience for this book decides whether or not it is a good value by participating in the books and publications forum. Those with the bankroll to buy it usually have professional networks set up to make those types of decisions through aim, PMs, etc, with other knowledgeable poker players.

It certainly isn't the case that all the pros necessarily trade endorsements. Since you are new here, you might not have realized that 2p2ers are pretty good at rooting out "scams." Bad coaches, bad backers, bad stakees, and scammers are routinely outed. It certainly happened when it came to the AP/UB cheating scandal. If I recall correctly, in the original thread for Let There Be Range, there were some reputable high-stakes players who posted scathing reviews that targeted the book's price and its value. If an ebook gained a reputation among good players as being a "scam", I would expect that information to be posted quickly.

But let me tell you what I find most ironic about the moral outrage you bring to these threads. If I am not mistaken, you claim to be a mid-stakes winner. Given the shallowness of your posts, I doubt that, but let's assume it is true. You allegedly play a game where you leverage your skill advantage to exploit other people with less skill at the tables. Then you come into threads with moral outrage because skilled players exploit their knowledge to produce books to sell to those with less skill. So it's OK to exploit an advantage at the poker table, but not away from it?

In poker, the burden is on the player to understand what it takes to acquire value. In poker ebooks, the burden is still on the player to understand what it takes to acquire value. Your annoying trolling clutters up the threads and makes it more difficult for players to do that.

I doubt that this would happen. Most players who play in the mid stakes and above, and especially high-stakes, keeps their information very close to their chest. I would think it is more likely that the player, once they understand all the material, would understand the importance of this knowlege, and why it shouldn't be given out for mass consumption, and write his or her own e-book.

No average joe, with no understanding of the material, would be able to enterpret the information properly, thus the hypothetical hands and situations he created would not be accurate.

Yeah, once you go to the trouble of understanding everything, so that you can profit at high stakes games, do you really want to just give the information away for a pittance so that the games toughen up and you have to do all that work again just for like half of the winrate you had before everyone knew what you knew?

FLOP: QJT rainbow. Your hand QQ36. You are 40/60 vs any AKxx. You check call for board to pair. With you having flush redraw, the odds are different. Figure it out. This is the most important type of thinking you need to do in omaha.

FLOP:JhTh3 You need huge hand on this board. Just KQxx is ****. TTxx against one player just two seeing the flop, youd probally go with it, not that happy. Then again, i woudlnt go with this, middle set and thats it, sucks. People are nitty every1 plays only top 30 hands. and nekkid big pocket pairs. Id be worried about JJxx..or KhQJhT..or some kinda wrap or plenty of other huge hands..

You can attack nitty blinds just like holdem. Theres a 3-bet, 4 bet game just like in holdem.

I dont play omaha. Why bother when "no limit holdem is the game to win millions at"
But there isnt that much skill to poker. There is some, not that hard if your are quite intelligent. This isnt rocket science.

Sean owns this thread

Right. We put our opponent on a specific hand, because that's what the pros do. Ranges? **** that ****.

Preflop hand equities run closer together in value, so not really.

should be sticky

Wrong play, fish

Top 30 hands out of 20,000? Really, fish?

You can attack nitty blinds just like holdem. Theres a 3-bet, 4 bet game just like in holdem.

Actually, the way it is played today, it basically is rocket science. This requisite skill of the this game exploded about 3-4 years ago when many engineers and mathemeticians got hold of the game.

Is there a review of the book anywhere?

I actually read this entire thread, and I cannot find a review?!

I do not care if people think if the price is correct or not. We should all decide upon that based upon or situation and rolls. If you think the price is wrong, do not buy it ffs, no need to troll the thread for those interested in the book.

2500$ for a poker book is a huge bargain ..

I rate him as the #1 poster in the HSPLO-forum.
His posts are different from all others.

I second that

people are just wondering if it's worth it! it's 2500$, that's a lot of money for most of the poker players, they are not just going to put that investment withouth any research about it

i think 2500$ is way to much for a book.

Is Poker becoming the latest Gold Rush? Then maybe selling shovels makes more sense than digging for gold.

So the author's goal is not to make as much money as possible with this book (or with these highly priced e-books in general)?

I'm still asking myself this because selling 10 copies for 1000 bucks is obviously more profit than selling 2 for 2500.
Shouldn't be that hard to figure out the profit maximizing price and then sell it for that amount?

I think it's more than just profit motives. He is also trying to keep the information valuable. If 10,000 players have it, then it's not worth as much. A similar example is the diamond business. They keep tight constraints on diamond supplies to keep them valuable. I'm pretty sure they could flood the market with diamonds and then people wouldn't view them as scarce or as valuable anymore.

Anyways, I hope someone can post some good reviews at some point.

This, and there aren't very many people who would be willing to pay $1k for the book but not $2.5k. Without having seen the book, the pricing seems pretty spot-on to me.

very well price.

Spot on !

mmm hmmm. I use this book every day

It seems very expensive and the problem I have with these books Is most people can only put so much of the book into practice, you could read it a hundred times but if you cant implement it into your game then its worthless even if its a good read.

Tom has asked me to review his book. I have been to lazy to read the online version and am waiting for the hardbound copy. My initial reaction is of much skepticism as the price tag is very very high.

That said some very credible poker players have given it good reviews which I find a bit surprising. I would have expected some negative comments, but really the only downside I have seen from people who have read the book is that the price is high, but still well worth it.

I am particularly interested in his work on combitorics as little have been written and talked about it. I would guess that most high limit PLO players don't have any idea what % of hands AAxx even make up. I am looking forward to see how some of the work Tom has done.

The best 2p2 book I have ever read by far is WITHG. I think it was very well done and very informative. I think the results are very applicable to other forms of poker and I would recommend it as a read for anyone thinking of learning a game like LO8.

I would guess I have read more poker books than most and I would imagine I watch as many or more poker videos than anyone. I think Tom's videos are very well done and some of the best PLO videos on the internet particularly for low to midstakes players. That said I am still very skeptical of a book costing $3,500 and will report back in a few weeks when I have read it.