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06-03-2012, 09:30 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
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Originally Posted by jimdo
It's really difficult to edit/proofread a book without missing an error or two. I even notice errors from time to time in publications like The Economist. It's particularly difficult with a poker book because of all the logical issues, suits, etc, that you have to check, unlike a fiction book, for example, where you're mainly just checking grammar and spelling.
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This makes sense.
For Poker books, in addition to normal procedures, they should hire an additional proof-reader who is a dedicated student of the game (a motivated person who is part of the book's target audience.)
There are few or no grammatical errors in Playing the Player and Miller's writing style is very clear and easy to read. However, a couple of errors exist in the text that stand out like a sore thumb to poker players.
For example, on page 142 the hero should not have position on BOTH players post-flop. (non relevant portions of the hand example omitted or edited) :
Your target is the Big Blind...You Open Raise...A player calls behind you and the Big Blind calls...The flop is XXX. Your Opponents Check and you bet...
Typos and logical errors in printed copies tend to get corrected in new printings and new editions, but you would think that it would be possible to provide quicker updates to Ebooks. However, this is not the case with Phil Gordon's Little Gold Book.
Gordon's last words in the book are dated April 2011 and the official release was October 2011. I purchased the EBook seven months after its release, but still find 1/12 = 0.125, hussle, and various mini-plugs of FT that should be removed for good taste.
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06-03-2012, 12:13 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Location 2301, EM backed into a straight flush but said it was a bad card.
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06-03-2012, 01:52 PM
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banned
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
Can someone tell me how to contact Ed, I want to purchase the two books for the $80 package price.
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06-03-2012, 03:26 PM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Looking at the mountain
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
This is a very fine book. Well worth the price and nicely formatted for a Kindle.
Like others ITT I could see myself in every chapter.
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06-04-2012, 08:47 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: London
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
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Originally Posted by PayOffWizard1987
Can someone tell me how to contact Ed, I want to purchase the two books for the $80 package price.
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edmiller@notedpokerauthority.com
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06-07-2012, 09:07 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Dallas, TX
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
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Originally Posted by Biffo
This is a very fine book. Well worth the price and nicely formatted for a Kindle.
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I could not find it for the Kindle.
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06-07-2012, 09:28 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
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Originally Posted by Rbr0001
I could not find it for the Kindle.
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It's not available through Amazon, but on Ed's site it is offered for sale in three formats: pdf, epub, and mobi. Kindle devices read mobi (and probably pdf as well, albeit poorly.)
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06-08-2012, 01:22 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: I SWAEAR TO UFCKING ELECTRICAL JESUS
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
I downloaded the sample for Kindle for PC.
There is a problem with the way the cards are displayed. For example, in the section on playing against tight players, it reads:
"The flop comes Q♥T♦4♦. You bet $40, the player behind folds, and the big blind calls."
When displayed on my Kindle for PC screen, the suit symbols are not shown. It just has empty squares. The suit symbols show up if I cut and paste it, however.
Is there something I need to do to get the suit symbols to display? The book would be close to unreadable if I have to cut and paste the flops to a word document in order to read them.
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06-08-2012, 01:45 PM
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stranger
Join Date: May 2012
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
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Originally Posted by Skipbidder
I downloaded the sample for Kindle for PC.
There is a problem with the way the cards are displayed. For example, in the section on playing against tight players, it reads:
"The flop comes Q♥T♦4♦. You bet $40, the player behind folds, and the big blind calls."
When displayed on my Kindle for PC screen, the suit symbols are not shown. It just has empty squares. The suit symbols show up if I cut and paste it, however.
Is there something I need to do to get the suit symbols to display? The book would be close to unreadable if I have to cut and paste the flops to a word document in order to read them.
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I remember this same problem for another book. If I remember correctly, it's only a problem for Kindle PC. It's been that way for awhile and I don't think anyone is in a hurry to fix it.
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06-08-2012, 01:58 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 386
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
That problem was present for Dynamic Full-Ring Poker from SplitSuit. I don't believe it was ever fixed and I believe it's a problem unique to Kindle for PC.
On another note, does anyone know if the electronic editions require always-on DRM? In other words, if I'm not connected to the internet, can I still open and read the book? Do I need to be online for the first time I open it? I'm pretty sure I'll buy it but would very much prefer a version that doesn't require me to be online to open or read it.
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06-08-2012, 03:32 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,077
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
I don't think there is any DRM protection.
If you want to read the book on a PC, you don't have to use Kindle for PC.
Why not simply download the PDF version instead?
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06-11-2012, 04:25 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 386
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
Ed emailed back and confirmed no DRM. I bought it and you get all 3 versions anyway, PDF, mobi and epub. PDF is password protected, not sure about the mobi/epub versions because my Kindle isn't charged up but I'll find out. The password is a random string so it's a bit annoying to look it up and put it in every time but I can fix that.
Looks like a good book so far, I think I'll enjoy this one.
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06-11-2012, 01:26 PM
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Verified Smartass
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Livin' the Dream Baby!
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
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Originally Posted by Berlino
This makes sense.
For Poker books, in addition to normal procedures, they should hire an additional proof-reader who is a dedicated student of the game (a motivated person who is part of the book's target audience.)
There are few or no grammatical errors in Playing the Player and Miller's writing style is very clear and easy to read. However, a couple of errors exist in the text that stand out like a sore thumb to poker players.
For example, on page 142 the hero should not have position on BOTH players post-flop. (non relevant portions of the hand example omitted or edited) :
Your target is the Big Blind...You Open Raise...A player calls behind you and the Big Blind calls...The flop is XXX. Your Opponents Check and you bet...
Typos and logical errors in printed copies tend to get corrected in new printings and new editions, but you would think that it would be possible to provide quicker updates to Ebooks. However, this is not the case with Phil Gordon's Little Gold Book.
Gordon's last words in the book are dated April 2011 and the official release was October 2011. I purchased the EBook seven months after its release, but still find 1/12 = 0.125, hussle, and various mini-plugs of FT that should be removed for good taste.
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LOL Phil Gordon.
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06-14-2012, 10:07 AM
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stranger
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
My review:
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"You put a move on Chan. You son of a bitch.". -Kinish
This is that book of "the moves". It tells you the kind of moves and spots to use them in. I have about five feet of poker books, but all the stuff in here is new in book form.
This weekend, sitting 2-5 I used plays from this book:
In wild games, sneak in cheap against bad players. 59o in lateish position the one time the table idiots limped yielded $400 pot. It was more about getting bad opponents into positions where they will make mistakes than thinking the hand was good pre flop. No starting hand list puts 59o on it, but conditions dictated otherwise.
"Raise junk pre, barrel flop and turn."
Actually, waited until river to fire second barrel into this regular, but took down $120 pot that I would have normally never played.
"Raise continuation bets." It was a perfect barrelling flop, kxx. Of course my opponent c-bet after having raised from small pre. I raised the TAG, turning an underpair into a bluff. Took down a $175 pot where I normally would have floated (tempting one final player in) or folded.
Understanding ranges. This regular limped into my big blind. 774 flop. When he bets, he has a range of hands. None of them like being donk bet into when a 5 hits the turn. Took down $55 where I would have folded on the flop. I specifically envisioned this reg when reading the book as my canonical nitty regular player to target.
What Ed has done here is document the next level of poker thinking. I don't think he invented these moves, I suspect you can find isolated examples scattered in Internet forums. The value here is clearly outlining the who, when's and why's about these moves.
I see 150 big blinds in my bankroll from a 12 big blind investment in the book. He is laying you better than 10:1. Fist pump snapcall on this book.
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06-14-2012, 07:14 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: south carolina, usa
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Re: "Playing The Player" - Ed Miller
I ordered PTP and Hand reading over the weekend; got here on east coast Wed; hard to put down PTP; many concepts are validation of what I would agree are ways to beat certain player types in low blind HE; and a few more ideas , too. I just gotta say that you have to get Play the Player; you just have to validate what you need to do to gradually evolve from solid; beat the weak players; to think about the game correctly and have winning plays against most everyone at 1/2 and most live 2/5 NLHE.
Also nice to get the "RUN Good; Ed Miller" signature in the front..
jmho
gl
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