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03-31-2015 , 08:02 PM
Jonathan, I am looking forward to your new book but notice it is not available in Kindle as yet. As I have become rather addicted to that format, if and when will it be available?
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04-01-2015 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by lgold
Jonathan, I am looking forward to your new book but notice it is not available in Kindle as yet. As I have become rather addicted to that format, if and when will it be available?
I am glad you enjoy the books! Vol 1 is currently on Kindle and Vol 2 will be available as soon as it has been released. Unfortunately it got delayed a bit but it should be out before the WSOP.
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04-14-2015 , 04:18 PM
Will Vol 2 be a work book? that would be rad.
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04-15-2015 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by catheterchri
Will Vol 2 be a work book? that would be rad.
It will be.
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04-16-2015 , 06:53 PM
Hoe about onlime cash games ? Is it ok to apply things from this books in them ? Or is it live poker heavy ?
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04-17-2015 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dissection
Hoe about onlime cash games ? Is it ok to apply things from this books in them ? Or is it live poker heavy ?
Jonathan Little on Live NL Cash Games, especially the non-technical aspects, applies mostly to live poker although my overall game plan certainly applies both to live and online.
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05-06-2015 , 10:38 AM
Volume 2 is now available.
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05-06-2015 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by strongrad50
Volume 2 is now available.
Some two weeks ago but havent got it and it should take one week mostly, so they havent got them that soon in my online bookstore.
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05-07-2015 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by strongrad50
Volume 2 is now available.
Thanks - looks like it is only available on paperback for now.

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05-11-2015 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by avatar77
Thanks - looks like it is only available on paperback for now.
Getting mine in paperback. Kindle is great and all, but I'm old school when it comes to books.

Volume 1 was great IMO, really have been looking forward to Volume 2.
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05-11-2015 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by strongrad50
Getting mine in paperback. Kindle is great and all, but I'm old school when it comes to books.

Volume 1 was great IMO, really have been looking forward to Volume 2.
I am glad you liked it.
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05-13-2015 , 12:01 AM
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I am glad you liked it.
Well thank you for writing it!
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05-13-2015 , 12:02 AM
Received my copy tonight! Diving in.
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06-19-2015 , 11:15 AM
Together with vol2, i among some others would rate it like hwang plo. Needs the gto stuffs from janda like hwang from mastering plo, though plo is not all different from nlh, as gto and exploitive.

Has good understanding of nlh, and i cant say i am not often thinking about plo when i read nlh as nlh isnt my main game.

Not as good as full gto but is in the picture and talks about all situations and considerations, to put it short, rather than give u just one strategy and say up to nothing.

The preflop strategy covers sort all the situations but isnt covering all of them in full and so isnt his strongest knowledge.

I use easier ways to understand what hands to play vs a raise, 3b etc. by just cutting 3rd, half, more, two or three levels of hands off, with additional positional considerations like snowie, that i though dont fully agree with and can adjust, and any other source. For the bb there seems to be the snowie range input at one point. To me, and to snowie, the bb strategy is similar to plo and is based on the opponents range and the pot odds from most part, so also easy to understand and adjust, and would make it easier for beginners, plenty time to learn to play hands and is mandatory, though implied and reverse implied possibly need still be included and depend on opponent a lot. This is an intermediate book, but would be easier input.

The preflop bluff ranges would also need more percentage as it is more like an introduction only here with a couple of generic tables. Selected from playable or about playable hands based on gto and need be adjusted to opponent, and how the hand ranks vs the opponents range before and after the 3b, and positional considerations. But these are not included. But u can always get the free preflop advisor from snowie web site and understand it.

The postflop play, like flop play has a lot of complications to think about and as a gto player, i have definite lines and split my ranges, that i cant say this book reallly does but prefers to solve the problem with a cbet, that additionally in vol2 at least has a clear focus for bet size instead, that it uses also preflop, while a gto player as default would not do so, just could when possible. Check raise and raise fobia might need its own chapter as there is not a cr in nlh and plo so often and all lines have their goods and bads, but whatever, i split my range even in plo when i think i should or could.

The main value is in his experience of the situations he well understands and i value that also from the plo point of view as i am some less a gto player there. The only problem with it is that it will be difficult to digest, and more so if one doesnt know the gto lines.
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06-19-2015 , 05:11 PM
OK, as an intermediate student of the game at 1/2 - 2/5 casino games, here's my take. (I play higher than that pretty often, up to 10/25, but that is in local live games where I know all the players very well, and some of them are just terrible. Just trying to give you my level - I'm a winning 2/5 player who doesn't have the bankroll, balls or maybe even the brains to play against the higher percentage of pros I find in 5/10 games.)

Like many of you, I found the first volume pretty hard going. Not in terms of the concepts really - more in terms of the presentation and structure. It's just too encyclopedic in feel for a complicated game.

Fast forward now to volume 2. Obviously very different format, and I think this book is great.

So overall, IMO this work should be viewed as just that - a single work that happens to be broken up into 2 volumes. (Technically they could have, as Jonathan said, been combined into one book.)

So now you have a situation where you can maybe peruse starting hand ranges in Vol 1, maybe read a couple other things of interest, and then plunge headlong into Vol 2. If you find you have some trouble with certain concepts, go back to Vol 1 to check it out (now you have some context and some interest in the specifics of that situation.) Then go back to hand examples. When you're done, go back to Vol 1 and read some of the more obscure lines that didn't show up in the hand examples. (In most of my games, if I 3-bet and someone 4-bets, they have AA. No big leveling wars as might be online or wherever. There, short.)

Taken in that context, I think this is really a fantastic "book", and just what the doctor ordered for my current level.

Now, I still have qualms about raising all pocket pairs from all positions. (This is a similar range to the one presented in Ed Miller's "The Course", and I have the same complaint there.) The complaint is that there aren't enough hand examples where you raise 33 preflop and then whiff (which you almost always do). In both books, there's a too-high percentage of flopping sets. I think I can handle those hands. (Or perhaps hands like 44 on a 532 board). How do I handle whiffing all the time? Makes me wonder just how helpful raising 33 is UTG. If you're setmining, you normally don't want to raise, and if you raise, you normally don't flop a set.

But that's a tangent to the overall understanding I've gained from reading this 2 volumes together. Even though Jonathan probably considers Vol 1 to be the "meat", it's really in Vol 2 where you get to eat.
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10-27-2015 , 02:52 PM
I am a beginner/intermediate tournament player, and a beginning cash player. I have the audio version of Volume 1. Most chapters are easy enough to digest while driving, but a lot of the nuts and bolts are just too complicated to "get" from an audio format. I don't regret the purchase, but I do wish there was a legitimate source for pdf's, perhaps, that show (at least) his hand ranges, and the hand examples that are discussed.
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10-27-2015 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz1
I am a beginner/intermediate tournament player, and a beginning cash player. I have the audio version of Volume 1. Most chapters are easy enough to digest while driving, but a lot of the nuts and bolts are just too complicated to "get" from an audio format. I don't regret the purchase, but I do wish there was a legitimate source for pdf's, perhaps, that show (at least) his hand ranges, and the hand examples that are discussed.
Thanks for the feedback. I will talk with my publishers and try to make these available.
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