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Old 12-12-2011, 08:04 PM   #46
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Re: Intelligent poker Player - Review

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author spends so much time discussing non-existent argument "gto vs exploitative play". gto does not even exist for ring games. why discussing something that doesn't even exist?

does anyone else except the author thinks there are "2 schools of poker"? that's totally made up thing which doesn't add any relevant information.
GTO does indeed "exist" for ring games.

In 2 ways:

1. In the tougher ring games, you will definitely be playing plenty of heads up poker against decent opponents, where your play will need to at least approach game-theory optimality. Now, you will sometimes have the opportunity to switch tables or switch games (which is often a good idea), but when you are in these games, Phil Newall maps out the way to improve your play.

2. Even in weaker ring games where you are obviously not going to be playing GTO, it's still important to understand what the adjustments you should be making are. In other words, understanding GTO play can improve your exploitative play model.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:45 PM   #47
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Re: Intelligent poker Player - Review

I think it's most clear to say that Nash equilibria certainly do exist in 3+ player games, but they're not necessarily as satisfying as solution concepts as in 2player games. Heads-up, if both guys are playing optimally, neither of them has any incentive to change their strategies. But, that's not necessarily the case in 3+ player games.

Anyhow I got the book on my Kindle last night, and I'm enjoying it so far. I have sort of a question though...

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Like most 2+2 books, it is quite rigorous but the author doesn't adventure himself into the nitty-gritty of making a GTO approximation of limit hold'em... Instead, he has a more qualitative approach which reads quite well for those who aren't mathematically inclined.
What do people think of this book's style as far as its approach to presenting theory? I imagine that Phil could have presented a lot of the theory with a lot more equations and such, and perhaps that would have been even more useful to the people who managed to slog through it (a la MoP, which I liked a lot but was a bit heavy on the algebra, imo).

When you read a poker book, do you want to learn the math behind things so that you can work out new situations on your own? Or do you prefer something that you can read through without taxing your brain so much? What are the trade-offs as you see them, and where is the sweet spot?
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Old 01-27-2012, 02:52 PM   #48
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Re: Intelligent poker Player - Review

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I think it's most clear to say that Nash equilibria certainly do exist in 3+ player games, but they're not necessarily as satisfying as solution concepts as in 2player games. Heads-up, if both guys are playing optimally, neither of them has any incentive to change their strategies. But, that's not necessarily the case in 3+ player games.

Anyhow I got the book on my Kindle last night, and I'm enjoying it so far. I have sort of a question though...



What do people think of this book's style as far as its approach to presenting theory? I imagine that Phil could have presented a lot of the theory with a lot more equations and such, and perhaps that would have been even more useful to the people who managed to slog through it (a la MoP, which I liked a lot but was a bit heavy on the algebra, imo).

When you read a poker book, do you want to learn the math behind things so that you can work out new situations on your own? Or do you prefer something that you can read through without taxing your brain so much? What are the trade-offs as you see them, and where is the sweet spot?
The math is in Bill Chens book. This gives some specific reccomendations based on that book in part, so all the math you want is in that book.
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:00 AM   #49
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The math is in Bill Chens book. This gives some specific reccomendations based on that book in part, so all the math you want is in that book.
Not quite. If you want to apply MoP to a real poker game, unless you are much smarter than I am, you will end up making many assumptions and approximations. Phil Newhall's book is excellent but not having numbers, frequencies or equations can lead you to make quantitative mistakes when you try to apply it by doing something too often or too rarely for example.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:12 AM   #50
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Not quite. If you want to apply MoP to a real poker game, unless you are much smarter than I am, you will end up making many assumptions and approximations. Phil Newhall's book is excellent but not having numbers, frequencies or equations can lead you to make quantitative mistakes when you try to apply it by doing something too often or too rarely for example.
HUH? The game hasnt been solved, So all you have is assumptions and approximations, but more importantly
solid concepts from those two books.

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Old 03-23-2012, 09:55 AM   #51
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Re: Intelligent poker Player - Review

I just downloaded the digital version. it is can be viewed on Adobe Digital Editions easy enough, but having trouble viewing on Ipod.

i drag the book from ADE to Itunes succesfully, where the info tab states 12mb book file. when moved from Itunes to Ipod, the book title is listed in "Ibook" but all 432 of the pages are blank. bluefire is installed, but the book is not listed in there.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:14 PM   #52
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I believe it has to do with DRM protection. I had the same problem with another book not from 2p2. I guess you are stuck with reading it in Adobe digital editions.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:14 AM   #53
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Re: Intelligent poker Player - Review

Stay away from the Amazon mobi version of this for now - I had to return my copy because the hand charts were almost impossible to decipher, seemed to be cut and pasted from badly taken blurry photos.
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Old 03-24-2012, 04:29 AM   #54
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I just downloaded the digital version. it is can be viewed on Adobe Digital Editions easy enough, but having trouble viewing on Ipod.

i drag the book from ADE to Itunes succesfully, where the info tab states 12mb book file. when moved from Itunes to Ipod, the book title is listed in "Ibook" but all 432 of the pages are blank. bluefire is installed, but the book is not listed in there.
I am not iOS savvy but I would try moving it from ADE to Bluefire on the Ipod. If the file registered on the ipod already from the first attempt, it may not work.

Is Itunes supporting Adobe DRM?
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Old 03-24-2012, 06:00 AM   #55
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I am not iOS savvy but I would try moving it from ADE to Bluefire on the Ipod. If the file registered on the ipod already from the first attempt, it may not work.

Is Itunes supporting Adobe DRM?
that did the trick. tyvm
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