I bought Baluga's book when it first came out and it definitely included 3betting. First you've got the price wrong and now this.

I remember this from the thread about the book. I'm pretty sure it was added shortly after the release, due to popular demand.

it was included in section 1 pre release.

there was always a chapter on 3-betting in section 2.

Andrew

It's a bit grand to call it a chapter.It's less than two pages of very basic assumptions and generalisations and you did state that readers would have to buy the far more expensive volume 2 to get the topic covered in detail.Ed Miller devotes over twenty pages to the topic of 3,4 and 5-betting in his far cheaper book.

Total sample size under 4,000 hands at $1/$2.I wonder what his usual screen name is.Still a vid's better than nothing.

Is there any way I can ignore specific 2+2 members, so I won't have to come across and read their pathetic posts?

Listen. We know you want everyone to post their screen names and results. We know why you ask for this. But saying it over and over again, every time their name is mentioned, isn't likely to make it happen.

Well do you agree?

No they don't need to post them.

However, if you are interested in getting coaching from someone you can ask and I'm sure some coachs will provide that information and some won't. If that is what interests you the most and is most important to you, well then go with the coach who has a great PTR.

Personally, I'd be more interested in getting references from previous clients and reviewing any strat posts they've made or videos they've done. Becuase, as has been stated over and over again; being a good player does not make someone a good coach.

Okay, now that we've established that, stop posting all over 2+2 demanding people post their graphs all the time, please and thank-you.

Well how can we tell whether the coaching is worth anything then?There is a related thread on the coaching forum.

I disagree.Everybody's got mates who can provide references and if youre not winning you are in all probability making strategy mistakes which will be passed on in coaching.

"We've" established nothing.You've given your opinion in an overbearing manner that's all.

You completely and conveniently ignored the fact that I said you can always ask a prospective coach for their info and go with coaches who'll provide it. Again, if it's something that clearly concerns you so much that you post over and over about it; if a coach won't provide you their SN/Graph clearly that’s not a coach for you! Go with the one who will. It's really not that complicated.

Yes I saw the thread in the coaching forum and also noticed that as far they've ignored you're latest troll post in there.

While this is a possibility, I think if you hang around 2+2, Leggo, DC, CR long enough, you get somewhat of an idea who knows their sh*t and who is a respected poster and who's opinions are valued by the masses. Failing that, I would personally solicit the opinions of other forum posters who's opinions I value or if you have other poker friends, ask them who they've used. Essentially this comes down to a lot of basic common sense and if someone doesn’t have enough common sense to do some background work on a perspective coach, well they they’ll likely never be a winner anyhow, so it’s best they lose their rolls as fast as possible and find a new hobby/profession.

It's sort of like looking for a good Garage/Mechanic to take your car to. You should check with the Better Business Bureau, ask your friends/family/co-workers/classmates who they've gone to in past and who has done a good job and been honest, etc. Maybe start off with taking your car there for an oil change and see how they customer service is, etc, and then move onto more serious repairs. Again, as always whether its coaching or otherwise, the onus is on the person seeking the service to determine if the person/business they're going to is credible and provides a good value for their money.

On top of (moving back to graphs), even if all coaches posted their SN/Graphs, it still doesn't address the issue that some winning players are NOT going to be good coaches; while some players who are break-even or losing at their current stakes might be excellent coaches because they understand all of the theory and are good teachers, etc, but can't apply it themselves in game conditions for whatever reason.

Perhaps with the previous post I didn't hash it all out, but I've certainly addressed many points I think with this. Yes, I was overbearing. Because, like many members of 2+2, I am generally sick of seeing you troll/rant on and on about this. But, hey whatever, if it really turns your crank, keep going.

Having said that, I’d push 2+2 hard to come up with a filter as a poster above has suggested, so that we don’t have to read posts from people who just rant on and on about the same things.

bigblue1ca

Once again you have failed to be civil.The OP in the thread about 'Predatory coaching',cftw, expressed the reasons why coaches should be open and transparent very well.Part of the package here is coaching by Improva.He should publish his results so we can get some idea of what it's worth.

he said "Jerry Yang" LOL

I rather clearly laid out practical options for you or anyone else to help make an infomed decision in selecting a poker coach; if that's not civil so be it.

Speaking of civility, you have chosen to not ackowledged anything I've said and merely continued on with your mantra.

I read the OPs post in the coaching thread, so be it, that's his opinion. However, off the top of my head, you have been going on about this issue long before he made his post, so I'm discussing it with you, not him.

The bottom line is, if you want a graph, ask for one. If you don't get it, take your business elsewhere. Lastly, what does a graph ultimately prove about someone's ability to coach? It may prove they are a winner or a loser, but it does not help define their coaching ability.