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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
Well how can we tell whether the coaching is worth anything then?There is a related thread on the coaching forum.
You completely and conveniently ignored the fact that I said you can always ask a prospective coach for their info and go with coaches who'll provide it. Again, if it's something that clearly concerns you so much that you post over and over about it; if a coach won't provide you their SN/Graph clearly that’s not a coach for you! Go with the one who will. It's really not that complicated.
Yes I saw the thread in the coaching forum and also noticed that as far they've ignored you're latest troll post in there.
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
I disagree.Everybody's got mates who can provide references and if youre not winning you are in all probability making strategy mistakes which will be passed on in coaching.
While this is a possibility, I think if you hang around 2+2, Leggo, DC, CR long enough, you get somewhat of an idea who knows their sh*t and who is a respected poster and who's opinions are valued by the masses. Failing that, I would personally solicit the opinions of other forum posters who's opinions I value or if you have other poker friends, ask them who they've used. Essentially this comes down to a lot of basic common sense and if someone doesn’t have enough common sense to do some background work on a perspective coach, well they they’ll likely never be a winner anyhow, so it’s best they lose their rolls as fast as possible and find a new hobby/profession.
It's sort of like looking for a good Garage/Mechanic to take your car to. You should check with the Better Business Bureau, ask your friends/family/co-workers/classmates who they've gone to in past and who has done a good job and been honest, etc. Maybe start off with taking your car there for an oil change and see how they customer service is, etc, and then move onto more serious repairs. Again, as always whether its coaching or otherwise, the onus is on the person seeking the service to determine if the person/business they're going to is credible and provides a good value for their money.
On top of (moving back to graphs), even if all coaches posted their SN/Graphs, it still doesn't address the issue that some winning players are NOT going to be good coaches; while some players who are break-even or losing at their current stakes might be excellent coaches because they understand all of the theory and are good teachers, etc, but can't apply it themselves in game conditions for whatever reason.
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
"We've" established nothing. You've given your opinion in an overbearing manner that's all.
Perhaps with the previous post I didn't hash it all out, but I've certainly addressed many points I think with this. Yes, I was overbearing. Because, like many members of 2+2, I am generally sick of seeing you troll/rant on and on about this. But, hey whatever, if it really turns your crank, keep going.
Having said that, I’d push 2+2 hard to come up with a filter as a poster above has suggested, so that we don’t have to read posts from people who just rant on and on about the same things.