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02-17-2010 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by larrondo
I listened to the free MP3's of his coaching sessions he put up on DC and liked them quite a bit.
I did too and before I did I had no opinion but after listening to his audio files, especially the one with GC, I think he is, together with GC, showing how midstakes can be beaten when competition plays Ed Miller steal a lot cbet barrell -style.
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02-17-2010 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ratboy
I haven't read the book but the coachingsessions you mention are gold and I can't imagine his book will be bad. Winner or not, he's a competent, smart guy that knows what he's talking about
I'm going mainly from the audio podcasts and his results.If the strategy doesn't work it's waffle.
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02-17-2010 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
If the strategy doesn't work it's waffle.
Improva talks great. Yet we have no way to see how his game works unless we want to risk time and money as his guinea pig, What makes things odd is how he has yet to share his SN. Even the crappy Cardrunners variance monkeys are willing to do at least that.
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Two years ago, this guy admitted he ran from 25NL to 5000NL before going busto and wound up playing micro HU.
http://www.pokersavvy.com/plus/Hi-Im-Oliver

That's not a good sign. I'm supposed to believe Improva went from dead money to superstar in just a few months.

Last edited by Jabbershot; 02-17-2010 at 03:56 PM.
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02-17-2010 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabbershot
Improva talks great. Yet we have no way to see how his game works unless we want to risk time and money as his guinea pig, What makes things odd is how he has yet to share his SN. Even the crappy Cardrunners variance monkeys are willing to do at least that.
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Two years ago, this guy admitted he ran from 25NL to 5000NL before going busto and wound up playing micro HU.
http://www.pokersavvy.com/plus/Hi-Im-Oliver

That's not a good sign. I'm supposed to believe Improva went from dead money to superstar in just a few months.
When's your strategy guide coming out Jabber?
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02-17-2010 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ratboy
When's your strategy guide coming out Jabber?
I don't have one. I'm a mediocre reg. I'm just not a mediocre reg who lords it over others about talent I have not demonstrated.

Last edited by Jabbershot; 02-17-2010 at 04:20 PM.
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02-17-2010 , 06:08 PM
What it seemed to me is that GC agreed a lot with what Improva said - theory, strategy and concept-wise, they seemed to have a lot of common ideas, my perception on this is further amplified by comparing GC's videos to Improva's audio-files...and GC is crushing the games at the moment (not that that is any proof of anything, perhaps it's all just survivorship bias, lol)
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02-17-2010 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ulkis
I did too and before I did I had no opinion but after listening to his audio files, especially the one with GC, I think he is, together with GC, showing how midstakes can be beaten when competition plays Ed Miller steal a lot cbet barrell -style.
Do you have a link, or do you remember in which thread it was? I'm a DC member and I've searched the forums, but I haven't found the audio file with Grindcore.

Thanks.
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02-17-2010 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Egg Man
Do you have a link, or do you remember in which thread it was? I'm a DC member and I've searched the forums, but I haven't found the audio file with Grindcore.

Thanks.
I don't think I can post a link but search 'some of the pieces from the puzzle' in the general discussion forum (or just search on 'puzzle' and take the first one).

There are 3 audio files to download for free in total (if he didn't add one recently) and he discusses the strategy and questions in the post so its a good read as well
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02-17-2010 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ulkis
What it seemed to me is that GC agreed a lot with what Improva said - theory, strategy and concept-wise, they seemed to have a lot of common ideas, my perception on this is further amplified by comparing GC's videos to Improva's audio-files...and GC is crushing the games at the moment (not that that is any proof of anything, perhaps it's all just survivorship bias, lol)
GC is or was a student of Improva, so it's not surprising if they seem to have a lot of common ideas.
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02-17-2010 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ratboy
I don't think I can post a link but search 'some of the pieces from the puzzle' in the general discussion forum (or just search on 'puzzle' and take the first one).

There are 3 audio files to download for free in total (if he didn't add one recently) and he discusses the strategy and questions in the post so its a good read as well
Found it, thanks a lot.
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02-17-2010 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
I'm going mainly from the audio podcasts and his results.If the strategy doesn't work it's waffle.
What does this mean, "if a strategy doesn't work it's waffle?" The strategy doesn't work because... why? Because you don't know what his win rate is? That doesn't mean it's flawed. It means you don't know.

Please, just point to something specific you disagree with.
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02-17-2010 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by larrondo
What does this mean, "if a strategy doesn't work it's waffle?" The strategy doesn't work because... why? Because you don't know what his win rate is? That doesn't mean it's flawed. It means you don't know.

Please, just point to something specific you disagree with.

Why don't we know his winrate?If he's a coach and trying to flog coaching materials he should tell us.Would you employ anyone from the coaching forum if you didn't know their results?
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02-17-2010 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabbershot
I'm supposed to believe Improva went from dead money to superstar in just a few months.
Actually, over a year, right? Don't most really good players grow a hell of a lot over the course of a year? I mean, by the time he'd written that, he had admitted to having been lazy, and he'd already focused and was applying himself seriously.

Listen, you did some good research to find this. Now how about pointing to some specific strategy you feel is wrong?

You tend to throw out a lot of negative assessments, based on conjecture. "He put out a video with the hole cards exposed!" You switched rationals about why this was bad at least three times. When each of them were refuted, you simply switched to a new angle of attach. You didn't admit, "OK, my idea about doing recording a video and covering the hole cards later would not have worked." Why don't you admit when you are clearly wrong? Seriously, people would respect you more.

"I think the book is bad and Mason Malmuth says most books are bad so I'm probably right," is not adding anything. Mason Malmuth gives specific examples of what he disagrees with when he reviews a book.

SOME OF US ACTUALLY WANT TO DISCUSS IMPROVA'S BOOK/AUDIOS ON THEIR MERITS." When the thread gets locked for going 'off topic' you will be happy, and we will lose. So congratulations in advance, troll.
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02-17-2010 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
Why don't we know his winrate?If he's a coach and trying to flog coaching materials he should tell us.Would you employ anyone from the coaching forum if you didn't know their results?
So.. just don't buy his stuff? /end?
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02-18-2010 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Thibo
So.. just don't buy his stuff? /end?

We should know his winrate beforehand.None of the strat coaches expect payment before publishing their results.I think a lot of the strat in the podcasts was specific to particular games and particular types of opponents and it might not work there.The only proof with plausible strat is whether or not you can turn a profit doing it.
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02-18-2010 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
We should know his winrate beforehand.None of the strat coaches expect payment before publishing their results.I think a lot of the strat in the podcasts was specific to particular games and particular types of opponents and it might not work there.The only proof with plausible strat is whether or not you can turn a profit doing it.
Why should you know his winrate?

You are not entitled to buy his stuff..

I agree that it's useful and help our confidence towards him to know a coach/writer SN but he decided to didn't disclose it.

If he don't want to disclose his SN that's his right. Maybe he does it because he is a losing player at his stakes. Does it means that he can't teach anything? no Does it means that what he write is plain wrong? no.

btw, not disclosing his infos dosen't necessary means that he is a losing player.. I just highlighted it because that's what a lot of you are thinking.

I'm sure he is aware that not disclosing all his infos hurts his business but he choosed privacy over more buyers and that's something I agree with.
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02-18-2010 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ulkis
What it seemed to me is that GC agreed a lot with what Improva said - theory, strategy and concept-wise, they seemed to have a lot of common ideas, my perception on this is further amplified by comparing GC's videos to Improva's audio-files...and GC is crushing the games at the moment (not that that is any proof of anything, perhaps it's all just survivorship bias, lol)
Improva coached GC at some stage.
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02-18-2010 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
We should know his winrate beforehand.None of the strat coaches expect payment before publishing their results.I think a lot of the strat in the podcasts was specific to particular games and particular types of opponents and it might not work there.The only proof with plausible strat is whether or not you can turn a profit doing it.
The reason he doesn't want to publish his winrate can be taxrelated. Taxes in Denmark are huge on pokerwinnings.
I don't see what results have to do with his advise. He should play the stakes he coaches, obviously, but what if he has the wrong mindset to be a real winner? Is his advice of less value if he himself can't always stick to it when he plays, can't hold up his A-game for a long time? (btw I'm not saying he isn't a winner, I really don't have a clue, this was a general hypothetical assumpion about authors)
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02-18-2010 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ratboy
The reason he doesn't want to publish his winrate can be taxrelated. Taxes in Denmark are huge on pokerwinnings.
Only if he doesn't site select, outside of stars and ft, there are plenty of taxfree sites to choose from (Party, ipoker, ongame, boss, prima etc)
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02-18-2010 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by HighPockets
GC is or was a student of Improva, so it's not surprising if they seem to have a lot of common ideas.
I'll back Improva, I've read his book and watched his videos and his strategy, tactics and analysis is more or less accurate, I was actually surprised when he started to confirm a lot of things at midstakes in his book and videos that I had come to independently. Honestly, I don't care if the guy did go busto at 25/50, most players will never even see 25/50, and I'm certain his advice will stand the test of time for any mid-stakes reg.
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02-18-2010 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ratboy
The reason he doesn't want to publish his winrate can be taxrelated. Taxes in Denmark are huge on pokerwinnings.
Are you saying that he's from Denmark?
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02-18-2010 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by breathweapon
I'll back Improva, I've read his book and watched his videos and his strategy, tactics and analysis is more or less accurate, I was actually surprised when he started to confirm a lot of things at midstakes in his book and videos that I had come to independently. Honestly, I don't care if the guy did go busto at 25/50, most players will never even see 25/50, and I'm certain his advice will stand the test of time for any mid-stakes reg.
I agree with the above.

Also, there is no need to know his winrate.

His advice/strategy/thought process is solid and definitely will help you become a very good poker player if you are willing to put in both the time and effort.
What if he happened to be a huge tilt monkey who had no emotional control? Would that mean his theory isn't good? No. It would mean he wouldn't be able to apply it himself. Consider a sports coach who knows all of the fundamentals of a particular sport but can't apply them for one reason or another (i.e. physical disability). Does that make this person an invalid coach?
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02-18-2010 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Ratamahatta
Are you saying that he's from Denmark?
I thought he was from Copenhagen. There are some links in this post that confirm this
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02-18-2010 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabbershot
I don't have one. I'm a mediocre reg. I'm just not a mediocre reg who lords it over others about talent I have not demonstrated.
IMO If you were a decent human being you would have apologised to WCGRider.
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02-18-2010 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ratboy
I thought he was from Copenhagen. There are some links in this post that confirm this
Copanhagen= city in denmark
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