OK what coaches are not winning players? Besides Jason Ho let the world know?
Sounds like Joseph McCarthy... "I have a list right here w/ 100 known communist" but never reveals the names. So u are stating these 3 are the only winning players? Also I want to know the source of this information? Is it PTR w/ there inaccurate information?

I've lost count of all the poker gurus who don't beat the game. Krantz, BalugaWhale, Whitelime, Doughnutz, and WCGRider are famous examples. I just discovered that two of the great legends of 2+2, Sasha "Pokey" Radisch and Ed Miller, fall into this category.

I feel like an eight-year-old whose big brother told him that pro wrestling is fake. Coaching is an even bigger waste of time that I ever imagined. Coaches tend to be long-term losers or suffer crushing, lengthy downswings that cannot easily be explained by variance.

While PTR does not have a perfect hand history, it has a large, unbiased sample dating back over months. It is pretty devastating to the reputation of poker coaches, video producers and even book publishers. You can't just blame these numbers on variance because the samples are substantial enough. If PTR is truly inaccurate, I would expect millionaire poker pros to line up and file tort suits against the site.

He is just trolling, no reason to take that seriously

So what do you think of the following coaches

Townsend, Hastings, cts, jcl, timex, irockhoes, raptor, jungleman


I'm too lazy do more than a quick look on one site, but I'm sure you can keep adding to the list

idk about any of that , what ptr catches and what it doesnt, etc where people play, how much online , how much live etc. but i can say this, there is a three part series on duece plays with bart hansen and improva. and the guy does know what hes talkign about imo.

I'm not trolling. Seeing someone I took very seriously turn out to be less than he claimed is actually a bit painful. I have all of Ed Miller's books and I was a HUGE fan of Pokey when he was the 2+2 uNL guru back in the day.

Except for cts, I have no opinion.

I think you're very harsh on Pokey, he was just one of the best of the micro/small stakes players and his strength has and always was to present general concepts in a good form. He has to my knowledge never played for a living, and the fact that his results aren't stellar (I dunno how they look) does not take away from him, that he is the uNL guru.

Btw, the reason the uNL vs mid/high stakes ratio is to skewed is that uNL is less complex, basically valuebet strong vs the loose passives and cbet the hell out of the nits that have read some old school books and are solely waiting for tptk+ in order to valuetown villians. /end video series.


And you are trolling, you are ignoring 90% of what people post and holding on very tight to the last 10% that you hold dear yourself. I don't mind, since the main reason I'm here is boredom, timewasting or escapism (in other words, when I need a break at work or otherwise) so fits right in.

Pokey is an economics professor at a small college in Arizona. He's not a pro and never really claimed to be. His material was a huge influence on me and I am shocked that he is a breakeven player.

I am not .... at least if it is above 50NL.


I dunno if you've ever played chess, the thing with chess is that there is a lot of generel theory. Trouble is if you spend most of your time studying positional play and generel concepts, you're going to have a greater understanding of chess than your typical opponents, but none the less, your results will most likely not be stellar simply due to the fact that their tactical vision is better then yours and you're going to make blunders that will be punished relentlessly.


It's the same with poker, especially in this forum ... people love them concepts, but suck at the important skills of estimation, concentration and calculation.

Not to mention mindset qualities like not tilting etc.


Having a job and the restrictions on poker that follows with this (not to mention kids) is not the best cocktail for good poker results

QFT

Before switching to age, writing style, PTR rating and whatnot, do you agree that playing without seeing one's card can be a useful drill for students?

SICK 350K heater......
lmao, nice winnings dude!!

You do realize that none of those players ever lost anything they didn't win at poker right? They are human beings, if they are going to make a mistake that costs them a bankroll or a winning year, it doesn't mean they aren't worth listening to - it means they aren't the infallible gods you believed them to be. Poker got them to where they are, and if they've fallen since then poker will get them back to where they were in time. So what if they're breaking even or losing players at their stakes who are hedging against their variance or "human error" by coaching, do you honestly think a break even or losing player at high stakes doesn't have something insightful to say about mid stakes?

lol nice graphs ...

+1

Yeah if Krantz can't beat 200/400 or Baluga & whitelime can't beat 25/50 they can't teach me anything obv.

So u were referring to that crappy thread someone posted...oooh I typed in so and so's screename into PTR and they are losing call 60 min. So Baluga makes his money from book sales and coaching, and Doughnutz makes his from stox poker... Do u have every screen name these guys play under?
U will also need to know there live winnings, got that? Anyone may have a losing year playing highstakes. U will need a database w/ all there screenames for atleast 5 years. Im just saying if I was outing someone I would give them benefit of doubt and put the burden of proof on myself to make the accusations that much more believable. We have all read that clown post from the past let it go. PM these guys if u want an explanation they are all on 2+2. If u want to go after someone pick someone who is truly bad for the game like Russ Hamilton. These guys may go on tilt and blow a mill playing 200-400 how does that affect me?

Where did you discover this info?

so now Ed Miller sucks lol?Lol I feel stupid now for feeding the Troll.This guy takes the extreme opposite on any issue to get a rise out of everyone.
Poster: Phil Ivey is a great player
Jabber reply:He sucks PTR said he is down 20 million
Poster:I bought S/S and really enjoyed it and learned alot
Jabber:S/S is written by Doyle Brunson and PTR says he is down a million lifetime dont read it(but PTR was not around most of his career) well it dosent matter I heard a interview his umm umm cousin's uh babies mother's uncle gave that said he didnt make a dime up until PTR was created so that means PTR is accurate.
buy Phil Helmuths book instead Hellmuth is the nuts.
Poster:I want to learn poker can anyone help me where do I start?
Jabber: U dont everyone sucks and no one can figure out the game. The only people u can halfway trust are Jamie Gold, Phil Helmuth, and Russ Hamilton go to them for coaching.BTW by Jerry Yang's new book it's the nuts.
Obviously Im clowin but this is basically the man's thought process in a nutshell.

LOL

Anywhere we can find reviews of the book?
Does every thread in Books and Publications turn in to mud slinging matches?
Im sure people dont want to read about how much someone is down or up on PTR. People who are thinking of buying the books want to read reviews by people who have bought and read the books. We want to know if the books are easy to read, wether the concepts are easy to understand, basically if the person who bought it thinks it is of any use.
It really is a pain in the ass going through page after page on every thread actually trying to find a review of a book.

Mart I agree w/ u,just wanted to clarify my post was because I am sick of alot of the negativity especially in this book forum. If u don't like a book 1st of all hae read it and 2nd state your problem w/ it. Let's use logic and not PTR stats folks.I mean how many of us has not gone on full blown monkey tilt and blew a big part of are roll?

I don't think Improva is very good.He tends to generalise and waffle a lot.I always take the view that most will be learnt from the best and brightest players unless you are a beginner/inexperienced in which case you can pick up fundamentals from someone like Improva.

So you bought the book, with the attached videos and two sessions of coaching, and didn't find it helpful? What precisely are you basing your review on?

I listened to the free MP3's of his coaching sessions he put up on DC and liked them quite a bit.

I haven't read the book but the coachingsessions you mention are gold and I can't imagine his book will be bad. Winner or not, he's a competent, smart guy that knows what he's talking about