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Old 06-12-2012, 09:07 PM   #16
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Re: Harrington on Cash Games V1 and V2

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You can still learn a lot if your new to MTT's from the Harrington series but it's a little outdated for today's play is what he was trying to say. Your going to want to pickup Kill Everyone and Raisers Edge after you finish the Harrington's.

Another series to look into is Secret's of Professional Tournament Poker Vol 1 & 2.
I don't think that's what he was trying to say. If he threw it out after 10 pages...
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:11 PM   #17
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The main thing that this book taught me was how to think. I love the fact that the author(s) explain their thinking process. I don't know if it's outdated or not.
+1 This is why these books will never be outdated. They are not cutting edge but they are still very relevant. I learned so much from these books. If you are new to poker you need to learn the thinking process 1st. So many players are skipping this step and learning to interpret hud stats 1st.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:46 PM   #18
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Re: Harrington on Cash Games V1 and V2

I decided to take the plunge and got the kindle version of Vol 1, hoping to find a few exploitive gems that could help me tweak my live play (because obviously, I wasn't expecting to improve my online play considering I found HOCG mediocre). I wish I had kept my money and given Foucauld's review more credit. I read about 100 pages and then speed read some more. The book is lol bad. It is full of formulas that I would expect from a beginner rather than an established player like Harrington.The lack of equity calculations makes the book feel outdated indeed. It is also relatively easy to show that some of Harrington's analysis are incorrect by simply using Pokerstove or Equilab.
My advice: don't bother with this book (or any Harrington books for that matter). For low stake live cash game, stick to NLHE:TAP.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:58 PM   #19
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Re: Harrington on Cash Games V1 and V2

probably a good read in terms of getting the fundamentals down, but agree with other posts that there are just much better resources for the online game.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:19 PM   #20
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WTF is "outdated for today's game" even supposed to mean? Did human nature change, or just the rules of poker? If you dislike Harrington's books, that's fine, but at least give a reason beyond something so vague and meaningless.
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:43 PM   #21
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WTF is "outdated for today's game" even supposed to mean? Did human nature change, or just the rules of poker? If you dislike Harrington's books, that's fine, but at least give a reason beyond something so vague and meaningless.
People throw that around too much here. I remember people saying that SSHE was outdated about a year or two after it came out. It's now been 8 years after it came out, and the book is still very relevant for games today.
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Old 08-30-2012, 01:43 PM   #22
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Re: Harrington on Cash Games V1 and V2

In Harrington on Cash Games Vol 1 what does ace-x mean on page 151? Is he referring to Ace-suited (A5s),

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Any Ace-suited/offsuit (A5s or A5o).
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:00 PM   #23
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In Harrington on Cash Games Vol 1 what does ace-x mean on page 151? Is he referring to Ace-suited (A5s),

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Any Ace-suited/offsuit (A5s or A5o).
he means AJ-A2 suited and offsuit.

In early position AJ-A10 is playable, the rest isn't

in middle position AJ-A7 is playable and raiseable

in late position any ace is playable and raiseable
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Old 08-31-2012, 12:02 AM   #24
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Re: Harrington on Cash Games V1 and V2

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he means AJ-A2 suited and offsuit.

In early position AJ-A10 is playable, the rest isn't

in middle position AJ-A7 is playable and raiseable

in late position any ace is playable and raiseable
Thanks. I figured it out after I reread the next sentence in the book! Sorry for wasting your time.
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:41 AM   #25
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Re: Harrington on Cash Games V1 and V2

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WTF is "outdated for today's game" even supposed to mean? Did human nature change, or just the rules of poker? If you dislike Harrington's books, that's fine, but at least give a reason beyond something so vague and meaningless.
+1

What it usually means is: "I'm young, he's old, therefore he is wrong".
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:15 AM   #26
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+1

What it usually means is: "I'm young, he's old, therefore he is wrong".
Or more likely, "I'm dumb, he's smart, therefore he is wrong because I can't comprehend what he is saying!"

He probably thinks Mathematics of Poker has to much math, therefore, it's useless because I don't understand it! Actually, that does kind of make sense, now that I think of it. If he can't understand the book then it probably is a waste of his time and he should have thrown it in the garbage. It's like a Genius trying to convey his idea's to a retard. There's now way in hell the guy will ever understand. That's why he's better of with the blind leading the blind approach!
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:17 AM   #27
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Is Dan Harrington on this forum? Is there anyway to ask him any questions?
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:43 AM   #28
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Re: Harrington on Cash Games V1 and V2

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I decided to take the plunge and got the kindle version of Vol 1, hoping to find a few exploitive gems that could help me tweak my live play (because obviously, I wasn't expecting to improve my online play considering I found HOCG mediocre). I wish I had kept my money and given Foucauld's review more credit. I read about 100 pages and then speed read some more. The book is lol bad. It is full of formulas that I would expect from a beginner rather than an established player like Harrington.The lack of equity calculations makes the book feel outdated indeed. It is also relatively easy to show that some of Harrington's analysis are incorrect by simply using Pokerstove or Equilab.
My advice: don't bother with this book (or any Harrington books for that matter). For low stake live cash game, stick to NLHE:TAP.
I am taking off the text in bold. I was so disappointed in my purchase that I went too far and misread some examples in the book.

That being said, if you don't learn how to stove ranges and count combos but try to play by "feel", you are going to have a hard time online in 2012 (live, it should be ok). Because of this, the book feels outdated to me even if the examples are valid.

And please, don't compare HOCG to a fantastic book like The Mathematics of Poker.
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:23 PM   #29
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Re: Harrington on Cash Games V1 and V2

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I am taking off the text in bold. I was so disappointed in my purchase that I went too far and misread some examples in the book.

That being said, if you don't learn how to stove ranges and count combos but try to play by "feel", you are going to have a hard time online in 2012 (live, it should be ok). Because of this, the book feels outdated to me even if the examples are valid.

And please, don't compare HOCG to a fantastic book like The Mathematics of Poker.
I learned something great from Mathematics of Poker but Harrington's books are much better in my opinion. If you haven't purchased Volume 2 then you'll see why you were wrong throwing out Volume 1. Volume 2 discusses when you should use his advice. In writing both books, Harrington assumes your opponents are observant and smart and can figure out your betting patterns. In volume 2 he also says when to disregard some of his advice when playing weak-tight opponents, calling stations, and LA players; furthermore, he talks about these opponents in WEAK GAMES. If you haven't at least read Volume 2 then your out of the loop.

If even Harrington's suggestions were way out of date you still learn alot from his thinking process!
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:53 PM   #30
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I've gotten a lot out of all of Mr. Harrington's books.
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