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01-18-2013 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by harharnorth
Thank you for the detailed response, appreciate it. Think I'll save the book until I have more games under my belt. I have it saved on my wish list on amazon, so no doubt I'll benefit from it fully when I've got a better contextual understanding of the game. I've been informed that you are doing a video series for husng.com, could you please shed some light on what you will be concentrating in the videos? Will it be more classroom theory based, expanding on the salient parts of the book or are you going in a different direction. Would be interesting to know.

Thanks!
Yup, I am working on a video pack for HUSNG.com. It shouldn't be too much longer before it's out. There will be some standard commentary on live play, but mostly it'll be classroom theory type stuff where I expand on the book and hit some more advanced topics and applications. Current video topics (subject to change) include:
- Solving simple asymmetric river situations with Gambit
- Decision tree based post-game analysis
- Right and wrong ways to use "non-auto-profit" calculations
- Split pot river situations
- River structure and play from the BB with one bet left behind
- Range merging, leveling, and structure-based play
- Reading your own range: how and why

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Originally Posted by Jacopo
Hi will,
your book is a blast!
I'd say that nothing comparable to this has been released in the poker literature before.

Just some curiosities about your project:

1) was this thought like a 2 volumes book from the beginning?
2) are you already working on volume 2?
3) do you think volume 2 will be more "complex" than the first one?
4) can you give us some "detailed" preview of what to expect in the next episode

Thanks and good luck
Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying it Jacopo .

1) No, it was originally conceived as one, but I found myself about halfway through the planned content with a full book's worth of words...
2) I am -- it's maybe 1/3 done.
3 and 4) No, I'm trying to keep the level of complexity about the same. Of course, the solutions to multi-street situations can be much more complex than the single-street ones we focused on in Volume 1. Treating a lot of these situations with the same level of mathematical rigor would indeed lead to much more complexity -- to the point where I think it would actually be a lot less useful to most players. So the idea is to choose the models we want to actually solve on paper a bit more carefully and then use more logic/reasoning to figure out how to apply the results to real spots and build understanding. And of course the ability to just solve large games computationally to get the right answer whenever we want is very helpful also. Big-picture-wise, I think the description of Volume 2 from the Looking Ahead section at the end of Volume 1 is still pretty accurate.

Cheers
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04-11-2013 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by erdnase17
Imo it is much easier to calculate the EV of the stack size than the chips won as most people tend to do, simply because it is much less error prone since you don't have to keep track of the reference point. Will did a great job of explaining both ways which are obviously equivalent. And who calculates EV at the table? Rain man? :-)

BTW we have already discussed this topic here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...te-ev-1175246/.
I like to calculate EV a third way where folding is always negative (due to investments on previous streets/actions). You can technically sets reference points anywhere, as long as the arithmetic makes sense to you.

Btw, props to Will Tipton's book. Just from the exerpts I've set my eyes on so far, this is definitely shaping up to be one of THE best conceptual poker books of all time, right up there with ToP and MoP, the difference being that Tipton's book also has more practical value on top of its theoretical goodness.

Also, this thread is probably dead, see link above for main thread on this book.
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04-14-2013 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yaqh
I mean, what a true beginner usually really needs -- the fastest way to get them from clueless to breaking even at the micro stakes -- is for a friend or book to just sit them down and say: "from the SB, open raise hands W, call 3-bets with hands X, and from the BB, defend hands Y and 3-bet hands Z. Size your bets between half pot and full pot, c-bet a lot, and try to put a lot of money in with top pair or better."
I think it's a good starting point. For example, Phil Gordon's book says something like:
- Raise 100% of hands in SB until get 3-bet a lot.
- In BB, defend 42% of villain's raising range, e.g., if villain min-raises 50% of the time, then defend with 21% of hands.
- 3-bet polarized with 15% of villain`s raising range, e.g., 7.5% of hands.

Is this a reasonable default/starting strategy against opponents that you don't know how to exploit yet?
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04-15-2013 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nash_equilibria
I think it's a good starting point. For example, Phil Gordon's book says something like:
- Raise 100% of hands in SB until get 3-bet a lot.
- In BB, defend 42% of villain's raising range, e.g., if villain min-raises 50% of the time, then defend with 21% of hands.
- 3-bet polarized with 15% of villain`s raising range, e.g., 7.5% of hands.

Is this a reasonable default/starting strategy against opponents that you don't know how to exploit yet?
I haven't read Phil's book. Does he give any context for those recommendations? Reasonable defaults depend a ton on Villain's opening size and the effective stacks.

- I also like to try to open 100% from the SB, although I think it's pretty exploitable at short stacks, so a tighter default strategy is appropriate in a lot of HUSNG formats, at least vs regs.
- 42% sounds like a reasonable defending frequency if Villain's 3xing a lot of hands in fairly deep (say, 100BB) stacks. OTOH, if you're playing a hyperturbo and Villain's minraising a lot, it's waaayy too tight. Also, I don't think it makes sense to say our defending frequency should scale linearly with SB's opening frequency.
- Similarly, 15% sounds like an ok default at 100BBs, but a looser strategy is definitely appropriate at shorter stacks, and I don't believe there's a simple relationship between Villain's opening frequency and our best defending frequency.
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04-15-2013 , 10:58 PM
Thanks for the reply. Does your book show how to calculate reasonable frequencies given villain's opening frequency and varying stack sizes? Are most of the concepts in your book applicable to any one-on-one situation (like Moshman claims in his HU book) such as the SB or LP open-raising with you in the BB in a full-ring table?
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Originally Posted by yaqh
I haven't read Phil's book. Does he give any context for those recommendations?
He was interviewing jungleman about how to play heads-up cash games.
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04-21-2013 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Nash_equilibria
Thanks for the reply. Does your book show how to calculate reasonable frequencies given villain's opening frequency and varying stack sizes?
Well, unfortunately, there isn't really any way to choose your preflop frequencies just based on stack sizes and Villain's preflop frequencies. You should play a hand preflop if that's more profitable than not playing it of course, and the profitability of playing a hand often depends as much on how Villain plays postflop as it does on how many hands he's opening pre. Certainly there's a lot we can say, and you'll understand these issues well if you read the books, but there's no easy formula.


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Originally Posted by Nash_equilibria
Are most of the concepts in your book applicable to any one-on-one situation (like Moshman claims in his HU book) such as the SB or LP open-raising with you in the BB in a full-ring table?
I think it's fair to say that many of the ideas apply to any form of poker and almost all of them apply to long-handed NLHE hands after they're down to 2 players (whether that happens preflop because everyone folds to the SB or on a later street when all but two players fold). It's just that the examples will have ranges that are wider than would be expected in those games.
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