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Old 12-14-2012, 06:28 AM   #1
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Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

Anyone read/saw this?
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:10 AM   #2
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

Are you curious about the book (subtitled "Optimal and Exploitative Strategies") or the extras/supplemental information available on the publisher's website?
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:10 AM   #3
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

TBH. I am interested in both. I really couldnt make heads of tails of the mathmatics of poker even though I purchased two copies via stars points a while back.
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Old 12-16-2012, 03:44 AM   #4
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Expert-Heads.../dp/1904468942 this?
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:56 AM   #5
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

Extras

HUNL Preflop Charts (up to 100BB)

Appendix A - "Big River Game" Equations

SB bet-or-check game

Link to the "extras" for this book. Scroll to bottom of page provided by dandpoker.com. Aka: D&B Poker.

http://www.dandbpoker.com/product/ex...oldem-volume-1
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:02 PM   #6
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

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I wonder if anyone has read it.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:10 PM   #7
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

The thread title is quite confusing. Maybe a mod will change it... I have sent a request.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:50 AM   #8
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I wonder if anyone has read it.
I'm halfway through the book now and I only have good things to say about the book. If you are interested in HU NLHE be it Cash or SNGs and you are willing to put some work away from the tables this book is excellent. It will give you the tools to properly calculate EV, solve games (push/fold, raise/3bshove and others you may find interesting), calculate maximally exploitative strategies, analyze distributions and a lot more. Plus the author is an extremely helpful and generous guy.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:51 PM   #9
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

Bought this book a moment ago, will review in a week or so when done.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:11 AM   #10
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

I like this book so far.

What do you guys think about his way of looking at EV?

Here's an example from page 32 of the book

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Suppose Hero is facing a preflop all-in holding A♣-Q♣ and
suppose, for the sake of the example, that he knows his opponent
plays this way if and only if he holds 7-6s or A-A. Each
player started the hand with 100 BB stacks, there is 40 BB in
the pot, and it would cost Hero 80 BB to call. What is his play?


First, the EV of folding is 80 BB – after a fold, Hero will have that much left.
Villain holds 7♣-6♣, 7♥-6♥, 7♦-6♦, 7♠-6♠, A♥-A♦, A♥-A♠, and A♦-A♠ with
equal probability, so if Hero calls, he will run into A-A 3/7 of the time and
7-6s 4/7 of the time. His equity versus A-A is 12.54%, and his equity versus
7-6s is 61.45%, so he wins

3/7 x 12.54 + 4/7 x 61.45 = 40.49%

of the 200 BB pot when he calls for a total EV of 200 x 0.4049 = 80.97 BB.
Since 80.97>80, Hero should call.

Note that we could have also said that Hero’s equity versus the combined
range {A-A,7-6s} is 40.49%. Also notice the importance of combination
counting and card removal in this calculation. There are normally six ways
Villain can hold A-A and four ways to hold 7-6s, but the fact that Hero’s
hand contains the A♣ changes these numbers.
He calculates EV differently than previous books have done. Do you think this adds to or detracts from the value of this book?
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:09 PM   #11
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

Even if his explanation is correct, his calculation is not one you would do at the table. How you make your decision at the table is what matters, so C- for the explanation.

Perhaps he gets into more practical explanations elsewhere in the book. If true, the grade of C- may be too harsh.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:41 PM   #12
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his calculation is not one you would do at the table.
The same could be said of pretty much any EV calculation. Do you not think EV calculations are worthwhile?
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:53 PM   #13
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

When I read this example, I thought "3 combos vs 4 we beat, easy call", I was surprised to find out that the result was so close.

Writing 80.97bb vs +0.97bb is unusual but the mental switch to something I was used to was for me easily done.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:17 PM   #14
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Extras

I’ve read up to the River section (which I’m anticipating will be awesome).

It's a phenomenal book. The author does a great job inferring larger concepts from the approximate games he studies. And he always has an eye toward explaining how his inferences can be used in practice. He even shows how some of the generic advice I’ve read in e-books (specifically the chapter on barreling in some of Tri’s work, and others) could lead to severely unbalanced play if it’s followed unthinkingly.

If you’ve never done any work away from the tables studying ranges/trying to solve problems then you can’t appreciate how elegant his methods and examples are.

His tone is not dry as you might expect, but nearly conversational, despite the book being highly theoretical (there are even some LOL spots). The writing is very good overall with only a few sentences I noticed that could have been worded better or were a little awkward. But that’s nit-picking given the size of the book and the complexity of its topics.

I would recommend it for any non-beginner. Even for someone who would never be interested in better understanding game theory. The chapters on Equity Distribution and Postflop Concepts would benefit anyone seeking to improve their postflop thinking. Several your-head-will-explode moments.

In Foucault’s review of MOP, he wrote that he felt that book lacked examples and explanations of how the inferences from its toy games could be applied to situations in NL (i.e. he felt it left the reader wanting more). This book fills that gap and is no doubt going to be worth countless rereads. I would rank it with The Theory of Poker/MOP as the kind of book that could still be useful in 100 years.

Couldn’t recommend this book more to anyone who’s serious about understanding HUNL at a very high level. But they should keep in mind Thoreau’s saying: Books should be read as deliberately as they were written.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:06 PM   #15
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The same could be said of pretty much any EV calculation. Do you not think EV calculations are worthwhile?
Of course I do. I'm a math guy. At the table I can do the EV calculation in my head using the approximation:
(4*.6 + 3*.15)/7 ≈ 40.57%
showing it is roughly break even to call given 3 to 2 money odds. I would probably fold the hand against a weaker player and call against a better player. A more exact calc shows a tiny edge for calling, but the impact of such a call is more about variance and less about profit.
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