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Old 04-09-2014, 08:23 AM   #1
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Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

20 more days... I can't wait.
The extract available on the publisher website seems very promising.
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Yes, indeed, but you linked to the extract to vol.1

The extract to vol.2 is here.
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Hi all,

My main game is mid-high HU cash, so maybe we can get a HUSNG grinder to weigh in later.
I posted a review of Volume 1 in its main thread, which you can find here.

I am interested in starting a study group (HUSNG and/or HUCash) for applying the stuff discussed in this book. Get in touch and I’ll set up something tailored for the amount of interest. I’ll be subbed to this thread, but PMs are preferred.

Expert Heads Up No-Limit Holdem Volume 2: Optimal and Exploitative Strategies (EHUNL2)
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When D&B Poker released Expert Heads Up No-Limit Holdem: Volume 1 (EHUNL1), it was noted as advanced, but a difficult read. Advanced because it was one of the first accessible texts applying game theory and computational analysis to HUNL play, and difficult because of the technical nature of those computations and results. Over a year later, after replying to dozens of reader questions in threads such as these, Tipton has evolved as a writer: organization and prose of Volume 2 is better than Volume 1’s. Note “The two books can be considered together as one complete work”; reading EHUNL2 by itself is like reading half of a book from the middle.

TOC/Chapter Synopses:

Chapter 9
9 Preliminaries 13
9.1 Strategic Play: a Quick Review 13
9.2 The Game Plan 17
9.3 A River Refresher 24
9.4 Useful Tips for Estimating GTO Strategies 28
9.5 You Should Now … 49

A review of V1 with the best explanation of applied GTO-related concepts I have encountered in a long time (book or training site). It defines terms like “equilibrium” and “maximally exploitable”, and lays a foundation for why this stuff matters and how one could learn and apply the ideas in this book. There is always a trade-off between completeness/detail and accessibility, and I feel Will has done well.


Chapters 10 and 11
10 Turn Play: Polar Versus Bluff-catchers Redux 50
10.1 The Two Street PvBC Model 51
10.2 Weird Plays and Refinements
of the Nash Equilibrium Solution Concept 66
10.3 Bet Sizing and Geometric Pot Growth 69
10.4 Example: The SB Checks Back Bluff-catchers
on K♣-7♥-3♦-K♦ 72
10.5 Exploitative Play 83
10.6 Designing Statistics for Effective Decision Making 97
10.7 You Should Now… 105


11 Nearly Static, Nearly PvBC Turn Play 107
11.1 Range Splitting in the Presence of Draws
and Mediocre Made Hands 108
11.2 The Bluffing Range 114
11.3 Applying the Bluffing Indifference to Find
the BB’s Calling Range 125
11.4 Betting for Value and Protection 128
11.5 Wrapping it up: Exploitative Bluffing 135
11.6 EV Distributions 139
11.7 You Should Now … 142

Polar Versus Bluff-Catchers is a HUNL subgame that supposes one player has a range of nuts or air (polar), and her opponent has a range that beats all the air, and loses to all the nuts (bluffcatchers). Subgames are interesting because their solutions can tell us useful things about the real game. This topic was covered in V1, and V2 expands the work to solve for multi-street play. Chapter 11 considers non-static hand values (bringing it closer to real play), and builds from there.

Chapter 12:
12 Initiative and Less Common Turn Lines 144
12.1 Changes of Initiative 144
12.2 K♣-7♥-3♦-K♦Part Deux: The Computational Solution 147
12.3 The Delayed c-bet Versus the Turn Check-raise 152
12.4 Estimating Mixed Equilibria with Matrix Games 155
12.5 River Leads in Checked-down Pots 166
12.6 Lessons so Far: The c-bet Polar Dynamic 168
12.7 Example: The BB Check-calls Bluff-catchers
and Some Traps on 9♥-2♠-9♦-A♠ 171
12.8 The Turn Protection Raise 177
12.9 You Should Now … 192

Explains the convention of initiative, points out that GTO strategies often respect initiative despite it not being enforced by the rules of the game. The chapter explains why, quantifying the rationale for NLHE conventions, when they could be incorrect (with examples), and why.


Chapters 13, 14, and 15:
13 Turn Play: Volatile Boards and Capture Factors 194
13.1 Example: Turn Play after a Flop c-bet
on K♣-Q♠-8♥-5♥100BB deep 195
13.2 A Philosophical Note on the Program
of Solving Subgames 201
13.3 Example: Turn Play 145BB deep on A♣-4♥-2♥-7♦ 202
13.4 Where the Money Comes From: Turn Play
with River Capture Factors 208
13.5 Low-variance Strategies Versus Unknown Opponents 223
13.6 Example: Turn Play 73BB deep on K♣-10♣-5♣-J♦ 225
13.7 Example: Turn Play 66BB deep on Q♣-10♠-8♦-9♥ 230

13.8 Conclusions and Foreshadowing: The SB Flop
c-betting Range 237
13.9 You Should Now ... 240
13.10 Appendix: Solving the 1-bet-behind River Game 240
14 Flop Play and the C-bet Dynamic 242
14.1 The Singly-raised Pots 245
14.2 7♠-6♦-5♠Redux 277
14.3 The Limped Pots 282
14.4 The 3-bet Pots 295
14.5 The c-bet Dynamic 315
14.6 Lessons and Conclusions 321
14.7 You Should Now … 325
15 Pre-flop Play 326
15.1 Exploitative Opening 327
15.2 Short-stacked Pre-flop Play 335
15.3 Lessons and Extensions 367
15.4 You Should Now … 370

These chapters are the meat of the book, and driven by computational solutions to large games.
Chapter 13 is about turn play: protection, bet sizing, and the use of capture factors**. Chapter 14 is basically all about flop cbetting, and how equilibrium solutions point to flop strategies that differ from “standard” play. As a HU Cash player, this was the most interesting chapter of the book for me. Chapter 15 covers preflop play and directly applicable to HUSNG and CAP games. Values of games for both positions at 6-10bb are graphed, and everything is written for easier application than other books (MoP is too general to of use for grinders without more study, iirc moshman’s book barely goes into detail, and mers’ book is probably the best but basically standard these days for midstakes+ husng grinders).

I hesitate to go into more detail because these are the most dense chapters in the book, and any fair summary of the contents would be complicated. Those who read Volume 1 may sympathize: this section does what V1’s seven long-form examples were attempting to do, but with more clarity. Where V1 tended to go “here’s a spot, here’s the solution, here’s what we can learn” (sounds fine but painful in practice), V2 does a bit more work for the reader and often explains solutions as they apply to an established situation type.


Chapters 16 and 17:
16 Win-rate Maximizing Play 371
16.1 Tournaments Versus Cash Games 371
16.2 Recursive Games 373
16.3 Passing up Marginal Spots 383
16.4 You Should Now … 389
17 Putting it all Together 390
17.1 Figuring Out our Opponents’ Play 390
17.2 Adjustment 411
17.3 Final Thoughts 423

Chapter 17 is the most generally applicable to all forms of poker and discusses how to improve.
It discusses issues such as assumptions/player profiling, recursive games, and how pruning game trees could aid one in playing well against someone significantly worse or better than you. There is an explanation of why cEV is not always $ev in HUSNG formats.

Potential weaknesses:
-I hated the equity distribution graphing convention of eq(h) = 1-h, carried over from V1.
-Graph/chart presentation is competent. Some graphs are hard to read but this is nitpicking. To be fair, V1 had the same problem, but its slightly better here.
-This book is probably going to get flack for being hard/not fun. Key phrases being “boring, too much math/stats”. This is a stellar outcome considering the intended audience and subject matter. For the more vocal negative reviewers: explaining game theory without math (more specifically, using formulas and concise abstractions) is like explaining pot odds/equity without numbers (“I’ll hit my draw most of the time“). The minimum “math-y” competency required is lower than that other dense poker theory book: Mathematics of Poker.



Closing:
This is a textbook, a tool for someone interested in finding, studying, applying game theory optimal strategies. Application refers to understanding GTO strategies well enough to use effective exploitative strategies: the idea is to know how GTO works, know how to maximally exploit (over an individual hand, or longer games), and maximize profit. Getting stuck, re-reading, disengaging to process the ideas is part of the process. It is not a normal poker book in the casual non-fiction sense (read straight through, then shelved to maybe skim for enjoyment later).

Something Will warns about, and I have a lot of personal experience with is incorrect application.
It’s easy to misunderstand, or understand but misapply...and the adjustments you make can be worse EV-wise than if you didn’t change your game at all (except now you’re likely to have a superiority complex because you perceive your game as “new” / “stronger”). Standard advice to focus on learning over short term profit and staying extremely self critical applies here.


Best,
Semper


Assuming you have read the rest of the review and are still not sure if this book will be useful to you:
-HU players: if the topics don’t immediately turn you off as too math-focused, this is likely to be the best poker book you will ever read.
-Ring players, MTT players: “This stuff seems interesting, but can I apply it to my games?”
It depends. Ring players with a good (quantitative) grasp on their ranges will have an easier time. Tipton explains differences between solving full games/subgames and applying them to real play. With some creativity, in any situation where you can enumerate full ranges (either an approximation, or completely), you can use this stuff. Not as applicable to solving long-handed preflop strategy (or non-HU postflop spots).
-Gifters, non-poker players: I recommend asking the intended recipient if the topics are interesting to her. This doesn’t work as a surprise gift. Gifting technical texts is tricky as the buyer knows less than the recipient about the topic, and EHUNL2 is on technical side of things. See this amazon review of V1. This is not a good beginner’s book.

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*I not met Will in person. When I wrote this, I got the book from Will and was told to write whatever I want. I consider my main game mid-high HUNL cash, and am learning PLO.

**Capture Factors: Those familiar with “r” as popularized by Lefort on Run It Once will see similarities: note that Lefort was using this as an abstraction to construct preflop ranges, not make post-turn decisions.

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Old 04-12-2014, 10:04 PM   #6
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

Hey guys.

I've actually (proof-)read an advanced version of the book and I can tell you without reservation, it's great. I don't think there's any need for me to do a detailed synopsis or review since a) you'd be crazy to buy this book without reading volume I first and b) having read volume I you'll be able to make your own well-informed judgement. Nevertheless, I can say with confidence that this second volume deals with more advanced concepts, in more advanced ways, and that the author's writing has come along nicely, albeit that he remains a scholar and not a novelist. What is to his immense credit is the fact that he sought me out specifically because in the other thread I had brought to light the most significant textual flaws in the first volume. So hopefully this one will be blemish-free, but in any case, just buy it ffs. I may or may not have read some poker texts that are priced at upwards of $1000, but here's one that is of a similar quality and 500 times cheaper. So, I mean, just stop being a nit and buy it, basically.

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Old 04-13-2014, 11:06 PM   #7
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I may or may not have read some poker texts that are priced at upwards of $1000, but here's one that is of a similar quality and 500 times cheaper. So, I mean, just stop being a nit and buy it, basically.
These 2 volumes and the MoP are serious poker theory books unmatched in the poker literature afaik. I can't see how this book has "similar" quality to, say, a mediocre book shamelessly selling for $1850 like this one http://www.amazon.com/Let-There-Be-R.../dp/0982402252. As a semi-joke if anyone would pay for a few EC2 instances to solve the games the author solved for this book, $1850 wouldn't probably be enough :-P, not to mention the effort of making sense of the solutions.

Anyway I also had the privilege to read a draft of vol. 2 and I agree with you that this is an advanced book with a wealth of new information and it is highly recommended to anyone seriously interested in poker.

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Old 04-14-2014, 08:18 AM   #8
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Yeah that definitely wasn't the one I had in mind lol. Anyway the point I was making (in my inadvisedly-late-on-a-Saturday-night post ) is that this is likely the highest quality material that's out there, and being just a regularly priced book it's an absolute steal.
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:42 AM   #9
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Link to the study group I mentioned:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ehunl2

Gonna start one cohort once the first 3-4 people confirm they have copies of the book.

For anyone else PM'ing me about it, please indicate if you can lead a group.
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Old 04-17-2014, 02:09 AM   #10
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will snap buy - hoping for kindle
+100 please Kindle this some of us have forgotten how to read print.

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Are the books more applicable to HU cash or HU sngs?
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Both, or honestly any poker in general.

You should read the free excerpts though as it is not a book for everyone (or even most).
If you want to really dig deep and improve and not be handed a solution on a platter it could be for you though. The first book is easily the best book (for some) on poker yet.
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ordered and applied to the group
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Will the ebook version be available immediately upon release?
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Will the ebook version be available immediately upon release?
Apparently it will be available at the end of the month:
http://www.dandbpoker.com/product/ex...oldem-volume-2

(See DanAddelman's post)
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I've ordered the book and applied to the group! Can't waaaaiiit
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From the publisher's website today:
"The book arrived today and will be released to all US retailers in the next few days. The ebook has also just been delivered and we currently giving it a final check. The ebook will be available from our website exclusively initially." ($24.95 for the hard copy)

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Ordered it and applied to the group also. Let's do this
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"Just a quick message – the epub (with epdf thrown in) will be available for sale on our website tomorrow – 30th April"
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"Just a quick message – the epub (with epdf thrown in) will be available for sale on our website tomorrow – 30th April"
Drooling all over it right now. Applied to the group also
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possible to get a deal if purchasing both volumes one and two for the first time?
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Only just started the first book but i'm so impressed i already bought the second.
It's up for sale (e-book) on their website btw.
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Found an aesthetic error while skimming.

On section 14.7's "you should now", the same page exist three times in a row. Could be my reader (ipad, ibooks app) but i doubt it.

On another note, i much prefer the graphics in my volume 1 kindle edition to the volume 2 epub edition. It felt much clearer and the images were sharper in volume 1. Not sure if that's "bad editing" or if it's a weakness with the epub format.
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Hey all,

Question, spurred by an attempt to answer the question on Page 261: about weaker kickers checking back. My answer was there are semi-subtle effects that lower kickers have that exert non-trivial influence on CFs: trip domination, and blockers (highcards that would normally play back vs a bet). I can't think of anything else at the moment.

Question is:
Is the graph on page 253 correct? The page is a 3x2, and I'm looking at the final pair of charts: SB's cbet and check back ranges.

First:
Showing why I think the chart counts are complete and correct:
I put the preflop range into PPT like so:
"(AA-22,AxKx-Ax2x,AxKy-Ax2y,KxQx-Kx2x,KxQy-Kx2y,QxJx-Qx2x,QxJy-Qx2y,JxTx-Jx2x,JxTy-Jx2y,Tx9x-Tx2x,Tx9y-Tx2y,9x8x-9x2x,9x8y-9x4y,8x7x-8x3x,8x7y-8x5y,7x6x-7x4x,7x6y,6x5x,6x4x,5x4x)@100,(7x5y)@10", and got 947 combos otf: Kc3d7h.

If I add the combos for that decision point in the chart: 449.7+498.3 = 948.

Second:
A number of boxes, for example 87o and 97o, do not add up to 100%/fully filled when you combine SB c-bet vs SB check back. This should not be correct if those 2 charts add to the right number of combos: SB's strategy is supposed to be fully enumerated.

So what's going on here?

Anyway, great book that keeps getting better. Thanks Will.


edit: adding image:

http://imgur.com/6WOQvHd

Left is the cbet. Right is the check back.
88's frequencies match, since SB is betting 100% and checking 0%

87o's frequencies do not match, ~30% is missing from the charts.
97o's frequencies are similar. They don't add up to 100%.

But the combo count is right. So the visualization software is buggy?

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Found an aesthetic error while skimming.

On section 14.7's "you should now", the same page exist three times in a row. Could be my reader (ipad, ibooks app) but i doubt it.

On another note, i much prefer the graphics in my volume 1 kindle edition to the volume 2 epub edition. It felt much clearer and the images were sharper in volume 1. Not sure if that's "bad editing" or if it's a weakness with the epub format.
I agree. V2 charts break some fundamental data representation rules that V1 charts for some reason didn't. However, it's not a huge deal: a lot of the conclusions that a reader might make pouring over the charts are repeated in the text.
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