Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple

12-23-2015 , 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty moose
You're right, you'll probably never see that graph lol.
Do you actually know anything about him?
I've read several of his books and have heard two of his interviews on podcasts. He is very intelligent, which I realize is why you are infatuated with him, but I do not think he is elite in his poker skills.

I know he has said he does not play a lot of online, which to me translates to he likely has tried and failed miserably at levels higher than micros. To be considered elite (1%) in this day in age you need to be a proven winner at online 200NL+ minimum. Ed is very good at poker but not elite imo. Those graphs would be out there if he were the truth
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
12-23-2015 , 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilu7
I've read several of his books and have heard two of his interviews on podcasts. He is very intelligent, which I realize is why you are infatuated with him, but I do not think he is elite in his poker skills.

I know he has said he does not play a lot of online, which to me translates to he likely has tried and failed miserably at levels higher than micros. To be considered elite (1%) in this day in age you need to be a proven winner at online 200NL+ minimum. Ed is very good at poker but not elite imo. Those graphs would be out there if he were the truth
I will respectfully dis agree with the last part of your statement. When (if) on line poker comes back to the USA. Then I would consider it. And if you show me those winning players at 200nl how many aren't using a hud?
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-08-2016 , 04:32 PM
I just got this book, as a good friend of my son's, who I've played against, and is quite strong, placing in local tourneys winning over $1,000 on a few occasions, with a couple in the $3,000 range. I've palyed cash against him, and he's good. He recommended a Miller book, not this one, but as it's his most current, I thought I'd get it. I've read his Small Stakes Hold Em book, and didn't like it that much. More recently, I've been playing a lot more, with modest success, averaging winning about 6 bb's per hour at $1/2, with some serious leaks. I'm recently playing about 60 hours per month, at Foxwoods. I find some of Ed's early raising and 3 betting ideas a bit odd. Early position raises with pocket 3's and 6/7 suited? What does one do post flop when there's 2 or 3 overcards, and only those who hit the flop will call? As getting a set on the flop with pocket pairs is 7 or 8 to 1, how can this be a good play? I'd much rather limp and call a raise with pocket pairs, and maybe limp and fold 6/7 suited if raised pre-flop. But then while he states raising pre-flop with 6/7 suited, but folding AJo and KJo, switching if there's a raise before you, and reversing these plays, dropping the low suited connectors and playing the high unsuited cards. This makes no sense to me. If you raise early with 6/7 suited, and get called, can't the caller have high cards like AJo, the ones Ed doesn't want you to play early? So, who's ahead pre-flop?

Last edited by k1dC; 02-08-2016 at 04:50 PM.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-15-2016 , 03:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k1dC
What does one do post flop when there's 2 or 3 overcards, and only those who hit the flop will call?
Bet and win the pot?
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-15-2016 , 03:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k1dC
I just got this book, as a good friend of my son's, who I've played against, and is quite strong, placing in local tourneys winning over $1,000 on a few occasions, with a couple in the $3,000 range. I've palyed cash against him, and he's good. He recommended a Miller book, not this one, but as it's his most current, I thought I'd get it. I've read his Small Stakes Hold Em book, and didn't like it that much. More recently, I've been playing a lot more, with modest success, averaging winning about 6 bb's per hour at $1/2, with some serious leaks. I'm recently playing about 60 hours per month, at Foxwoods. I find some of Ed's early raising and 3 betting ideas a bit odd. Early position raises with pocket 3's and 6/7 suited? What does one do post flop when there's 2 or 3 overcards, and only those who hit the flop will call? As getting a set on the flop with pocket pairs is 7 or 8 to 1, how can this be a good play? I'd much rather limp and call a raise with pocket pairs, and maybe limp and fold 6/7 suited if raised pre-flop. But then while he states raising pre-flop with 6/7 suited, but folding AJo and KJo, switching if there's a raise before you, and reversing these plays, dropping the low suited connectors and playing the high unsuited cards. This makes no sense to me. If you raise early with 6/7 suited, and get called, can't the caller have high cards like AJo, the ones Ed doesn't want you to play early? So, who's ahead pre-flop?
This is a super oversimplification of the book but I believe if you start thinking along these lines the concepts might become a bit more clear...

If your opponents are folding too much then you raise to make the pot bigger when you steal it from them.

If your opponents are calling too much then you raise so when you make a good hand you can get them to stack off to you.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-22-2016 , 04:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
It has to be noted that Miller is completely unqualified to write books like 1%, given how far he is from that 1%.
1% of what? Whatever, maybe different books for different players. He is not an online player, so possibly more value if u play live. Putting things simple and generic cant be all bad as bases, if that is the case here. When that 1% book came out, it likely had its place but i dont think that is true anymore, that is the case with some other gto or so books also now, though they can have some goods. I dont need this book as i am missing just some details i dont much even need. And nlh ring cash is just one form and format, and additionally this book might limit to low full ring live.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-24-2016 , 11:21 PM
The part(s) of the book that I found most helpful were the pre-flop hand recommendations. I noted them in my I phone and reference them while playing. I never realized my prior propensity for loosening up too much as the game went along. The notes keep me grounded. Although I don't disagree with those who say the idea of raising every hand may itself be too loose. In any event, I find the whole book helpful for the 1/2 NL games.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-25-2016 , 03:41 AM
Sorry, I skipped the 11 previous pages. Is No-Limit Hold'em simple?
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-27-2016 , 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shandrax
Sorry, I skipped the 11 previous pages. Is No-Limit Hold'em simple?

Its named "The Course"
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-28-2016 , 11:14 AM
I am just finishing reading "Poker's 1%" by Miller.Do you think the strategy described there is relevant nowadays?He basically says make 3 barrels more and call 2-3 streets lightly.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-28-2016 , 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vladoivanov
I am just finishing reading "Poker's 1%" by Miller.Do you think the strategy described there is relevant nowadays?He basically says make 3 barrels more and call 2-3 streets lightly.
The main criticism is that it's too frequency-based rather than allowing nuance for equity distributions, but certainly poker hasn't regressed and if the ideas seem new to you they're likely substantially better than what you were doing before.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-28-2016 , 04:08 PM
The 3 barrelling lines in the books have always seemed to me to be wrong and exploitable.

My understanding is that CREV and Piosolver are now able to prove his approach is wrong.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-28-2016 , 04:42 PM
Yeah the ideas in the book seem great to me and improve(ed) my game imo.Can you recommend a similar book with similar strategies or maybe other Miller's book?
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-28-2016 , 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vladoivanov
Yeah the ideas in the book seem great to me and improve(ed) my game imo.Can you recommend a similar book with similar strategies or maybe other Miller's book?
Ed Miller isn't that good at poker, I wouldn't bother with another book of his. Try Janda's Applications of No Limit for something simple and Tipton's Expert HUNL (applies to every game, not just HUNL for the most part) for something more useful. After that, spend a lot of time doing some pen and paper work and invest in a solver.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-28-2016 , 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Ed Miller isn't that good at poker, I wouldn't bother with another book of his. Try Janda's Applications of No Limit for something simple and Tipton's Expert HUNL (applies to every game, not just HUNL for the most part) for something more useful. After that, spend a lot of time doing some pen and paper work and invest in a solver.
I totally disagree.

Most people looking to beat casino games up to the 2 5 level in a short period of time are better off starting out with Ed


Most people starting out or who are not at a certain skill level will have a much harder hard time making progress with those excellent but tougher books as their guide to beatting small stakes casino poker. People have limited time to study as well.

Also, advanced theoy..GTO ideas.. heavier math.. etc are more needed in tough online games above the micros.

However, all three authors are good for the right student and situation.

By the way, Ed is a fine player and teacher who has beaten Vegas poker for years.

......

Other things that can help a newer player is discussing poker with better players and posting questions on forums.

.....

The best chess books and periodicals for Fisher and Kasporov changed as they improved and were often different from those that helped others.


There are horrible books out there that can really hinder or hurt, but..

Often there is no such thing as the best book or coach, but there may be a best book/coach/ etc for you!

Last edited by tuccotrading; 02-28-2016 at 09:16 PM.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
02-28-2016 , 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tuccotrading
I totally disagree.

Most people looking to beat casino games up to the 2 5 level in a short period of time are better off starting out with Ed


Most people starting out or who are not at a certain skill level will have a much harder hard time making progress with those excellent but tougher books as their guide to beatting small stakes casino poker. People have limited time to study as well.

Also, advanced theoy..GTO ideas.. heavier math.. etc are more needed in tough online games above the micros.

However, all three authors are good for the right student and situation.

By the way, Ed is a fine player and teacher who has beaten Vegas poker for years.

......

Other things that can help a newer player is discussing poker with better players and posting questions on forums.

.....

The best chess books and periodicals for Fisher and Kasporov changed as they improved and were often different from those that helped others.


There are horrible books out there that can really hinder or hurt, but..

Often there is no such thing as the best book or coach, but there may be a best book/coach/ etc for you!
Errrrrr, perhaps I should explain, I think that by the time someone is interested in a book like Poker's 1%, there is literally nothing more that Ed Miller could teach them. He may beat lollivegames but the content of this book makes it abundantly clear he doesn't have the greater level of theoretical knowledge necessary to write anything more useful. FWIW, I recommend Small Stakes No Limit to people looking to make the transition from 2NL to 5NL, but I don't think anything else he's written is useful for online games any more really, they've moved beyond his books (and, based on this one, him).

Edit: lol I've just realised my mistake, totally thought this was the thread for 1%... disregard this and my previous post
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
03-07-2016 , 05:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lMikro
1% of what? Whatever, maybe different books for different players. He is not an online player, so possibly more value if u play live. Putting things simple and generic cant be all bad as bases, if that is the case here. When that 1% book came out, it likely had its place but i dont think that is true anymore, that is the case with some other gto or so books also now, though they can have some goods. I dont need this book as i am missing just some details i dont much even need. And nlh ring cash is just one form and format, and additionally this book might limit to low full ring live.
Ed Miller has actually repeatedly stated that his book is not a gto book. He said it has absolutely nothing to do with game theory and said there is little to no math in the book. He is aware of the fact that a lot of people think his book is a gto book which is why he tried to say it's not about gto.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
03-13-2016 , 03:23 PM
have played a few thousand hands online recently to "practice" certain things I have been reading for live cash games - nl10,nl25,nl50 still simple : play tight,make hands and get paid; at nl100 you do need some hand reading skill and make sure you don't stack off against obviously strong hands.


this in the wrong place s/h/b posted a few pages back in reply to someone called The DefiniteArticle

Last edited by stran; 03-13-2016 at 03:27 PM. Reason: post should have been a few pages back as a reply
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote
06-27-2016 , 04:18 PM
have read couple of chapters, think it's only applicable to live low stake but effective.
Ed Miller [new book 2015] No-Limit Hold'em Made Simple Quote

      
m