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02-15-2012 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by zumby
IMO he doesn't say to stay out of high-variance games, he says to stay out of games where you have little/no edge, as this lowers winrate and increases variance. A game can be high-variance AND you have an significant edge, and he doesn't suggest avoiding those sorts of game.

I think BW is saying:
Low-edge -> low winrate -> high variance -> tilt
That's how i read it aswell.

Having read quite a few books over the years, imho this book is one of the best i've read.
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02-19-2012 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Everyone:

I have been reading this book and find it very disappointing. For instance, I just finished reading "Chapter Forty-Four: Ego and the Tilt Cycle (2009)," and disagree with much of what it says. To be specific, the author argues to stay out of high variance games since they can cause you to tilt and thus lower your win rate and perhaps even turn you into a loser (in that game).

But can't the opposite also happen? If certain opponents, who play reasonably well when winning, tilt easily, can't this make a marginal game highly profitable?

In fact, it's my experience that at higher limits this is exactly what happens. By looking for these players, especially if they are beginning to lose, you may find a great spot in terms of expectation even though your variance goes up. In fact, in my book Gambling Theory and Other Topics, I make this exact argument. That is the price we pay for a higher expectation is often a higher variance, and by properly balancing this higher variance against the size of our bankroll, we can maximize our long term profits, something this author, based on what is written in this chapter, does not seem to take into account.

Mason
I'm not 100% sure your disagreeing with what was written, but even if you were describing a book with 52 chapters very disappointing because you disagree with 1 chapter is extremely unfair. In fact you must have read the first 43 chapters with no issues. BW is one of the best teachers of the game there is imo, and Im not finished with the book yet its definitely worth the money so far.
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02-19-2012 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadyJ1
I'm not 100% sure your disagreeing with what was written, but even if you were describing a book with 52 chapters very disappointing because you disagree with 1 chapter is extremely unfair. In fact you must have read the first 43 chapters with no issues. BW is one of the best teachers of the game there is imo, and Im not finished with the book yet its definitely worth the money so far.
No. While I haven't completed the book, I've found much of it disappointing. A lot of it has to do with the way it is written and some of it has to do with the actual material itself. On the other hand, some of the chapters seem pretty good, but this book is certainly not worth the $80 I paid for it.

It may be a while since I have other projects I'm also looking at, but I'll get more specific in the future. Also, two books I have read are The Poker Blueprint and Dynamic Full Ring Poker. While neither of these is perfect, I do recommend them, while I do not recommend the book that this thread is about.

Best wishes,
Mason
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02-19-2012 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
No. While I haven't completed the book, I've found much of it disappointing. A lot of it has to do with the way it is written and some of it has to do with the actual material itself. On the other hand, some of the chapters seem pretty good, but this book is certainly not worth the $80 I paid for it.

It may be a while since I have other projects I'm also looking at, but I'll get more specific in the future. Also, two books I have read are The Poker Blueprint and Dynamic Full Ring Poker. While neither of these is perfect, I do recommend them, while I do not recommend the book that this thread is about.

Best wishes,
Mason
As always I appreciate your reviews!

While waiting for Harrington on Cash Games: Volume I to be released on the kindle and based on your review I purchased "Dynamic Full Ring Poker" and it was well worth the purchase.

Amazon keeps suggesting this book to me, but seeing the price I cringe. I know this book was a lot more expensive in the past but based on your review it makes it an easy pass.
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02-19-2012 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Honey Badger
As always I appreciate your reviews!

While waiting for Harrington on Cash Games: Volume I to be released on the kindle and based on your review I purchased "Dynamic Full Ring Poker" and it was well worth the purchase.

Amazon keeps suggesting this book to me, but seeing the price I cringe. I know this book was a lot more expensive in the past but based on your review it makes it an easy pass.
Many of these books were a lot more expensive in the past. But there is nothing wrong with that. All that's happening is a business model that may have worked well at first but is now failing, so the price is coming down. This sort of thing happens in many businesses and is just the way the free market works and really has nothing to do with the basic quality of the text in question. But these books need to be evaluated by what they say, not by price, not by author results, and not whether the author is a good coach.

Best wishes,
Mason
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02-20-2012 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Many of these books were a lot more expensive in the past. But there is nothing wrong with that. All that's happening is a business model that may have worked well at first but is now failing, so the price is coming down. This sort of thing happens in many businesses and is just the way the free market works and really has nothing to do with the basic quality of the text in question. But these books need to be evaluated by what they say, not by price, not by author results, and not whether the author is a good coach.

Best wishes,
Mason
Someone posted about this exact point a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth;
Even though I haven't read a word of this book, I can almost guarantee that it isn't worth its price. The reasoning is very simle.

If you have a terrific poker book, and sell it through the standard mass marketing publishing, sales can be terrific. For instance, three of our books have sales of a quarter of a million copies (or more), four of our other books have sold over 100,000 copies, and one of our more recent publications, Harrington on Cash: Volume I, which has now been out for almost a year, has just over 48,000 in sales and is still selling well.

So my point is that if this book is as good as claimed where it is actually worth the price, the authors would make far more by selling it through conventional means (and if they went with us as a publisher, assuming we would be interested in doing it, their royalties would be substantial). In addition, we would also offer the book to our foreign language publishers, where additional royalties would be received by the author. So it is difficult for me to believe that it can be worth the price.

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth;
Just so there is no misunderstanding, I believe these books are over priced even though I have not read them. Furthermore, because of my long experience at working in the poker/gambling authoring and poker/gambling publishing business, and being more successful at this than virtually anyone else, it's my opinion that my opinion is a very good one.

Also, just because they are over priced does not mean that the information they contain is not of value or not accurate. My suspicion is that is where you are getting confused.

And finally, assuming I'm right, we should begin to see lower priced material that is at least as good becoming available in the not to distant future. And when this happens, our opinion about being questionable will go away.

MM


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The reason why an author should prefer to go the $30 route as opposed to the super high price route is that because of large sales he can actually make much more money at the lower price. But there is a catch...

At Two Plus Two, we have now sold approximately 2 million books. The vast majority of these carry a $29.95 retail price or more. We also pay royalties that are far higher than industry standard.

It's not proper for me to give out specific author royalty rates and how much they have made. But I guarantee that some of the figures are substantial and are also far more than what the ultra high priced e-book authors will make in both the short run and the long run.

What has happened is that poker, particularly on the Internet, has been constantly evolving, and some of the high priced e-book authors have addressed games, or have at least addressed aspects of games, that the more conventional book publishers, like Two Plus Two, have not yet addressed. But we have them coming.

When we do a book, it's not done quickly. It takes time for an expert player to write a book at an expert level that is clear, concise, and detailed. It then has to go through our review and rewriting process and not all manuscripts that we receive survive this.

And this is the catch I was alluding to above. There's no question in my mind that if we were to put out one of these high-priced e-books at the $30 to $35 price, the author would make far more money. But in most cases it would require a great deal more work on their part (and in many cases include significant expansion of what they have written), and that might not be something they care to do or are even capable of doing.

Anyway, I'm a strong believer in the free market, and if authors with high-priced e-books can successfully compete with us, then that's great and you, the consumer, will benefit. In the meantime, our authors are working on new titles and we expect them to meet all our standards, and this includes our new Pot-Limit Omaha: Understanding Winning Play by William Jockusch which should be released next week.

Best wishes,
Mason
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02-20-2012 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Many of these books were a lot more expensive in the past. But there is nothing wrong with that. All that's happening is a business model that may have worked well at first but is now failing, so the price is coming down. This sort of thing happens in many businesses and is just the way the free market works and really has nothing to do with the basic quality of the text in question. But these books need to be evaluated by what they say, not by price, not by author results, and not whether the author is a good coach.

Best wishes,
Mason
Mason the post about the high priced BlackJack systems the you can find on E-bay for a few bucks today was pure gold. I can't find it but it was one of the very best on the E-book topic I have ever read on 2+2
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02-20-2012 , 07:00 PM
I just read the book, its pretty damn good. Talks about alot of concepts that I have kinda figured out on my own, but added some much needed clarity to them. Nice Work Andrew!
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02-21-2012 , 04:52 PM
I thought the book was amazing.Really enjoying it.
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02-24-2012 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I have been reading this book and find it very disappointing. For instance, I just finished reading "Chapter Forty-Four: Ego and the Tilt Cycle (2009)," and disagree with much of what it says. To be specific, the author argues to stay out of high variance games since they can cause you to tilt and thus lower your win rate and perhaps even turn you into a loser (in that game).

But can't the opposite also happen? If certain opponents, who play reasonably well when winning, tilt easily, can't this make a marginal game highly profitable?

In fact, it's my experience that at higher limits this is exactly what happens. By looking for these players, especially if they are beginning to lose, you may find a great spot in terms of expectation even though your variance goes up. In fact, in my book Gambling Theory and Other Topics, I make this exact argument. That is the price we pay for a higher expectation is often a higher variance, and by properly balancing this higher variance against the size of our bankroll, we can maximize our long term profits, something this author, based on what is written in this chapter, does not seem to take into account.

Mason
If the object is to maximise long-term profits then by definition this is done by balancing variance, bankroll and expectation. I read some of the first edition and thought it was a mixture of good and bad. The author did seem a bit confused on some things but good on others.
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07-03-2012 , 11:43 AM
Is this book aimed at 6max or FR? and if it is aimed at 6max is it worth reading as a FR player?
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08-25-2012 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul7340
Is this book aimed at 6max or FR? and if it is aimed at 6max is it worth reading as a FR player?
It's aimed at both. To quote the book: "except HU Play for Beginners"
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08-12-2013 , 06:24 PM
How helpful would this book be for a live full ring 2/5, 5/10 player with a very high winrate?
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08-13-2013 , 06:54 AM
The advanced section would be very helpful if you are playing against tough players.
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08-13-2013 , 07:48 AM
Hasn't it gotten old?
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08-25-2013 , 07:51 PM
My friend wants to buy one, two and three...he's got his fundamentals down..he doesnt have internet as he's an older guy who hates technology but wants to get some info on "how those internet kids play" and his nephew recommended this series..so he's gonna buy it and there is no stopping him..all I'm asking on his behalf is does he have to buy all three and read them in succession or does number tthree have all the info from one and two...
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Hasn't it gotten old?
And I think number three was done in 2009 or 2010 so there are older books recommended
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08-25-2013 , 10:34 PM
He should only buy the third edition.
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08-26-2013 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim Brice
He should only buy the third edition.
Just told him. He said thanks for saving him some money
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12-01-2013 , 06:38 AM
Hi
Easy Game 3rd Edition-Adaptations

I have seen version 216 pages and e-book 136 pages.
Do you know if e-book is a full version or some paragraphs are cut from original ?
Table of contents seems the same.
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04-30-2014 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobbi
Hi
Easy Game 3rd Edition-Adaptations

I have seen version 216 pages and e-book 136 pages.
Do you know if e-book is a full version or some paragraphs are cut from original ?
Table of contents seems the same.
Anyone know the answer to this
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05-04-2014 , 06:05 PM
Im really shocked at how many of you are justifying this price. It is an amazing poker book filled with rich and subtle concepts that are nonetheless explained concisely... That's beside the point. The only reason it costs so much is because the author and/or publishers wanted to make more money.

As a commodity, it certainly doesn't embody any more use-value then any other poker book, or book for that matter. That's why almost all books are around the same price. Literature and trashy romance novels. Shakespear and Steven King and Martha Steward. Hardcover is more pricey then paperbacks. Why? Because hard covers are more expensive to make, the materials have greater exchange value. Albums cost more then other albums if they're longer, not better. It's impossible to quantify the book's value in that way. Yeah, you could say it'll raise your ev x amount in ssnl, but it won't. You will, utilizing all the information ypu've accumulated everywhere. It's free to browse two plus two, and you can't say the the combined labor put into making these forums informative is any different.

A book is a book. Charging any more for it then any more book is just greedy. Good thing I dled it for free. Out of respect for Baluga I won't post the link though.
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05-07-2014 , 09:29 PM
And how greedy is a person like yourself, who stole the book? It's nice that you showed your respect for the author by not telling others how you stole it.

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A book is a book. Charging any more for it then any more book is just greedy. Good thing I dled it for free. Out of respect for Baluga I won't post the link though.
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08-23-2016 , 07:59 AM
Any use in reading this in 2016? I've never read a book about poker.
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08-23-2016 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MezzaQ2U
Im really shocked at how many of you are justifying this price. It is an amazing poker book filled with rich and subtle concepts that are nonetheless explained concisely... That's beside the point. The only reason it costs so much is because the author and/or publishers wanted to make more money.

As a commodity, it certainly doesn't embody any more use-value then any other poker book, or book for that matter. That's why almost all books are around the same price. Literature and trashy romance novels. Shakespear and Steven King and Martha Steward. Hardcover is more pricey then paperbacks. Why? Because hard covers are more expensive to make, the materials have greater exchange value. Albums cost more then other albums if they're longer, not better. It's impossible to quantify the book's value in that way. Yeah, you could say it'll raise your ev x amount in ssnl, but it won't. You will, utilizing all the information ypu've accumulated everywhere. It's free to browse two plus two, and you can't say the the combined labor put into making these forums informative is any different.

A book is a book. Charging any more for it then any more book is just greedy. Good thing I dled it for free. Out of respect for Baluga I won't post the link though.



Obviously all books are not of roughly equal value, as you imply.

Some books are actually so bad that they hurt many readers.

Other books deliver much better value and are worth a significantly higher price.

... these things are true in many areas of publishing and life.
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08-26-2016 , 11:31 PM
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The only reason it costs so much is because the author and/or publishers wanted to make more money.
jfc. no ****. As a poker player, you know you should take the most +ev line anytime possible. This extends beyond the tables. People waited with baited breath to buy his book when it came out. I know I was and I split the cost with 4 other $100/$200 fr grinders. None of us would've bought it for a grand so Baluga and his **** results should thank us.
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