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10-10-2010 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1270
i have watched many of baluga's vids on DC and was wondering how much of the book material is covered in those videos or is new information???
all the hands in those videos are probably new.

but honestly, its just difference perspective on looking at poker, its not like your gonna flip to something ridiculous like "raise 6x in bvb!!!".

I do like his videos/book, very straight forward and makes poker easy.
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10-10-2010 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MezTheMaster
hey guys. I am still trying to find Easy game II. I like the first volume, but I cannot find the second one anywhere
PM BalugaWhale: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/47325/
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10-11-2010 , 01:45 AM
I had no idea Volume II of Easy game was soooo expensive. As a micro player it will be tough to afford 300...Uhggg
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10-11-2010 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MezTheMaster
I had no idea Volume II of Easy game was soooo expensive. As a micro player it will be tough to afford 300...Uhggg
You didn't notice it's cost when you bought Volume I for $300?
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10-11-2010 , 02:17 PM
I read it from a friend. He made a hard copy!
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10-11-2010 , 08:45 PM
no baluga website anymore?
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10-11-2010 , 09:50 PM
BW talks about it's demise on his blog (which is also now very out of date) back in May of this year.

http://balugabay.com/?p=138
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03-24-2011 , 10:54 AM
Maybe balugawhale needs to revise the eBook in light of Rush poker, which seems to have spawned new players types and trends, at least at uNL. For instance, relentlessly value-betting people with hands like TPTK until you're raised might no longer be a good idea when there are so many players who won't raise premiums pairs like AA, KK, and QQ -- preflop or postflop, regardless of board texture, even if they hit a set. Of course, you can simply make a note on them and move on, but still... they're weird.
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03-26-2011 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TrevRobCR
Guys please stop using PTR to see if these players are winners or losers. First and foremost, it doesn't track every site and it doesn't link every sites results together. Many players play as different names on different sites. Secondly, PTR didn't even exist until recently so the results aren't of their entire playing careers. Thirdly most of the sample sizes these guys have on PTR are so small that it is not even worth looking at.

As for why the books cost so much? Well there are a lot of factors. First they front the money out of their own pocket to write the book, fund it, and distribute it. They have to pay for website development, marketing, editing, web site hosting, payment processors, customer support, etc. With companies such as 2p2, it's a huge company who orders the book and pays for all that and distributes the book in higher volume across the nation to bookstores where everyone can see and purchase it. With these ebooks, it's a target market.

These players are great players but better instructors and authors. Baluga set the price according to what he felt the material in the book was worth for the target audience. These aren't books you just read with basic concepts in them like how to play AK like many 2p2 books. I've purchased about 20 poker books and maybe learned something new and small out of each one of them. Sure, that was worth the $30 price tag. However, that didn't improve or change my game drastically. I still had to figure many things out for myself. In the case of Baluga's Easy Game, it's not just another ordinary poker book. The book explains advanced concepts in today games. It breaks down concepts in easy to understand writing and doesn't withhold any questions you may have. This book is easily worth the price for anyone looking for the extra edge to improve their game, mostly SSNL/MSNL players. What you need to understand is that this book is almost like a complete coaching package from Baluga, which is worth well over the $900 price tag of this book.

I've also read "Let There Be Range" by Cole Sole. Is that worth the price tag? I feel like it was good, but that price tag of $1800 was a little too high. I feel it's easily worth its current price tag of $750 or whatever it is at. I learn more things in these e-books than I do any other standard $30 poker book because they are more advanced, which is the key concept.

Lastly, I don't care of Baluga becomes a losing player. His book is amazing and completely revamped my game. I'm sure I've already made the money back from the concepts I've learned and I can only continue to improve from there. His videos are also absolutely amazing. He is a great teacher, despite results, and the book is worth every penny. On top of that, you also don't have to worry about just anyone being able to read it. Only players who are serious on their game invest in it, and trust me, you won't see those guys at your stakes much longer.
stop using PTR because the scamme.... *cough* i mean coaches don't want to be held accountable

everytime an author refuses to give out his screenname or says PTR is inaccurate, it should be a HUGE RED FLAG to any reader about the quality of said book in said game
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03-26-2011 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by deacsoft
Okay guys. I'm ending this as it is getting a bit out of hand.

My thoughts on this are as follows...
I think e-books are a good source of information. I also think some of these e-books (more lately it seems) are written by some pretty good to excellent players. So I believe they are +EV and have value. Whether or not the player has been winning is of little consequence. It does not take a great player to be a great teacher. They are not the same. I'll admit that being a winning player adds credibility and may even edge them towards being more likely to be a good teacher. But it does not mean is that an average player couldn't be a great teacher.

I have often looked at the 100+ poker books on my shelf and thought, "Wow. These were a fantastic deal." Some of these books could have cost $1000.00 and still helped to make me a profit. The high prices of some of these e-books may seem like they are way too high. In reality they might be priced too low. I think it depends on the perspective. From an average consumers perception, they are way to expensive. Other books go for around $25. From the authors perception, the book is likely too cheap. The information that we would hope they are selling could be worth thousands, maybe millions. And without doubt, in the hands of the right person or people, it could make the author's living considerably more difficult. Now there are players out there armed with the same skills and know how the author plays. Doyle Brunson has been quoted that writing Super System resulted in him having to significantly change his game.

That being said...
I don't think it's wrong that Cwocwoc is looking for some evidence that the book is worth the price. Since the authors stats may not be the greatest and many people are defending the book, the author, etc; I don't think Cwocwoc is out of line by asking them for before and after stats. I also don't think any of the 2+2ers bing asked for this information are obligated to share their stats. If they do not wish to back up what they're saying with personal information; that's their choice. Not sharing the information doesn't make what they're saying any more true or less untrue.

I also think that no one should be saying it's not worth the price if they have not read it.
this attitude is really BS

how on Earth are authors not to be held accountable for what they've actually done?

Yeah, great teachers are not always the greatest players, but they are not losing players.

The market is saturated with crummy books right now and a posse of players that don't win or are also tied to 'coaching sites' saying what a good deal the book is. Do you see the problem in that sort of verification process????

2p2 is the place where you can usually hold sites, pros, etc accountable, but you cannot if it's a book written by someone who will not prove they have a long-term winning record in the game they are writing about. I wonder why that is. It's completely inconsistent and a shyster move on the players that come here to learn but don't realize many books are being pushed on them by people that don't have success in the games they are writing about.
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03-29-2011 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
stop using PTR because the scamme.... *cough* i mean coaches don't want to be held accountable

everytime an author refuses to give out his screenname or says PTR is inaccurate, it should be a HUGE RED FLAG to any reader about the quality of said book in said game
Love this... What you might learn from Baluga is that books like Elements of poker " dealing with the mental side, could be more important than
the technical in the long run. The best players technically still have huge swings, and the ones that are prepared to deal with it remain, and the others
dont. simple as that.
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03-29-2011 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabbershot
There's only a handful of concepts. Most of them are readily discernible through observation and a little math. The rest is just application and discipline.
yes, whatever happened to Boy Wonder. I liked those posts as he encouraged players and stressed that it was his mental approach not the technical that was the reason for his success and i dont think he even used a HUD.
Why do good players quit this game? they burn out?, feel p[okers a dead end, its a grind etc. etc. Its the swings, and the better you become the more variance you will experience. Jabbershots comment is the brutal truth .
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05-14-2011 , 12:10 PM
Has anyone viewed Andrew's videos? The subject matter looks pretty good, but thet ain't cheap.

http://dailyvariance.com/poker-videos/
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05-15-2011 , 01:00 AM
There are several Baluga's videos on DeucesCracked... And it is cheaper...
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05-20-2011 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
this attitude is really BS

how on Earth are authors not to be held accountable for what they've actually done?

Yeah, great teachers are not always the greatest players, but they are not losing players.

The market is saturated with crummy books right now and a posse of players that don't win or are also tied to 'coaching sites' saying what a good deal the book is. Do you see the problem in that sort of verification process????

2p2 is the place where you can usually hold sites, pros, etc accountable, but you cannot if it's a book written by someone who will not prove they have a long-term winning record in the game they are writing about. I wonder why that is. It's completely inconsistent and a shyster move on the players that come here to learn but don't realize many books are being pushed on them by people that don't have success in the games they are writing about.
This is incorrect.

It really shouldn't matter very much if the teacher is a winner. Maybe he has a sound mind, but has major tilt issues and thus can't win.

There are many winners who are poor teachers and can't explain their thoughts or don't even know why they do things sometimes. And there may be a very good sound thinking player who either tilts, or hero calls just to confirm his reads, or does any number of things that cost money.

I haven't looked up Belugawhale. I don't care if he's a winner. I've read what he's written, I've seen his videos, and I am able to judge for myself the merit of his words. What he says and how he thinks makes sense logically. He approaches the game correctly, and his deductions about proper play come from that solid framework.

Now somebody who knows little about gambling, and/or is not good with logic or math, or somebody who simply hasn't played long enough -- this type of person may not be able to judge merit on his own may need some other indicator of merit, like winning/losing. But that's a fall-back inaccurate method to be used if you are just too inexperienced to know better.

Of course, a winning player who IS ALSO a good coach may be able to help with non-theory things that relate to winning and in that respect he may be of immense help. But to say that straight poker theory shouldn't be completely valid unless the player is a winner is faulty.
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05-20-2011 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by trentk268
Has anyone viewed Andrew's videos? The subject matter looks pretty good, but thet ain't cheap.

http://dailyvariance.com/poker-videos/
If you follow his blog or twitter you can get in on these coaching calls when he does them for cheaper than they sell, you also get the opurtunity to ask questions a the end, and get the info first. Probably better off just watching his stuff on DC though, there is a ton of good stuff by him in there.
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10-04-2011 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by trentk268
Has anyone viewed Andrew's videos? The subject matter looks pretty good, but thet ain't cheap.

http://dailyvariance.com/poker-videos/
Blimey the prices have gone down a bit. Iirc Andrew was asking for over $1000 for "Easy Game". That's why I took an interest in it.
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10-05-2011 , 12:19 AM
FYI Andrew has said he is releasing a new revised and updated book to be priced much lower sometime soon
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10-05-2011 , 03:23 PM
40$ faik
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10-17-2011 , 02:56 AM
Andrew will be on the 2+2 Pokercast discussing the latest version of Easy Game tomorrow night(oct 17th). If anyone has questions, post them here.
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10-17-2011 , 04:57 AM
What will the price be this time around? Will it be updated suit current trends in poker? Is it aimed at any particular stakes?

Mvh
Inga
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10-17-2011 , 05:38 PM
Are the book's concepts and theories relevant for live play?
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10-20-2011 , 04:18 PM
Kindle version of this has the suites messed up. For example "6e 6f on a Qe 9e 3c board".
Shows like that in a sample of the book in ipad, android and pc. Don't know about the actual kindle reader.
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10-20-2011 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Entee
Kindle version of this has the suites messed up. For example "6e 6f on a Qe 9e 3c board".
Shows like that in a sample of the book in ipad, android and pc. Don't know about the actual kindle reader.
Same!
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