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01-16-2010 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by majorcrisp
Getting back to discussion on the book itself.
Do any of the guys (the people that have read it of course) think that his claim that buying the first part of the book will give a 25nl player enough background into micro stakes poker theory to turn that player into a 100nl reg, assuming the reader is relatively intelligent and willing to put the time in absorbing the knowledge within it?

I'd say it can. As others have said there's nothing really groundbreaking in part 1, espeically if you've seen Balugas vdeos beforehand, and when I read it at first I was a little disappointed (although the HU section was very good and something that was new to me). It was only when I started to re-read the section a few times and actively go over the concepts until I fully understood them that I realised the full value of it.
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01-16-2010 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker
I'd say it can. As others have said there's nothing really groundbreaking in part 1, espeically if you've seen Balugas vdeos beforehand, and when I read it at first I was a little disappointed (although the HU section was very good and something that was new to me). It was only when I started to re-read the section a few times and actively go over the concepts until I fully understood them that I realised the full value of it.
Thanks for the reply, I think i'll stump up the $300 once i've made it in rakeback.
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01-16-2010 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by taw420
Why do you guys keep feeding the obvious troll?

I read both volumes and agree that it really helped me understand concepts easier and I feel more comfortable/confident when I'm in a hand.

This book (both volumes) along with improva's book and a DC membership is a deadly combo.

Also for anyone interested you can make a very nice sturdy book out these that are bound and printed on quality paper for a very cheap price (around $20 including shipping) at http://www.lulu.com/. I've used them for both books and am very satisfied with the product I received. Just remember to choose the option "keep this private for only my viewing" (it's the default option) during the creation process. You wouldn't want to accidentally start selling these on lulu's marketplace for 20 bucks for obvious reasons, legal and otherwise.
Why is anyone who is sceptical about an e-book branded a troll. Do we all have to hold the same opinion?
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01-16-2010 , 02:56 PM
I think it is a great book. However the book that helped me most was the no limit Hold'em workbook. If I had to rank my books it would the following:

1.The No-Limit Hold'em Workbook
2. Easy Game Volume II
3. The Poker Puzzle
4. Let There Be Range
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01-16-2010 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Leopard
Why is anyone who is sceptical about an e-book branded a troll. Do we all have to hold the same opinion?
Absolutely not. Someone can become trollish on either side of an issue when they become boringly repetitive and borderline insulting.
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01-16-2010 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Absolutely not. Someone can become trollish on either side of an issue when they become boringly repetitive and borderline insulting.
Because 99% of the people who are "skeptical" of Ebooks "claim" to have read said Ebooks and then give bogus opinions of their value and content. These posts add nothing of merit to the thread and should be the basis for bans - they're either being misleading or their admitting to copy right violations, and every time the "price" argument comes up, all intelligible conversation regarding the book and the material ceases and the thread is derailed.
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01-16-2010 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by breathweapon
Because 99% of the people who are "skeptical" of Ebooks "claim" to have read said Ebooks and then give bogus opinions of their value and content. These posts add nothing of merit to the thread and should be the basis for bans - they're either being misleading or their admitting to copy right violations, and every time the "price" argument comes up, all intelligible conversation regarding the book and the material ceases and the thread is derailed.
Surely the price of a product has some bearing on whether or not it should be purchased?

It just seems to me that negative opinions are bogus and positive ones are genuine, bit like a downswing being variance whilst an upswing is crushing the games.
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01-16-2010 , 09:21 PM
Does Easy game vol 1 and 2 apply better to cash or mtt ??
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01-16-2010 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by piteiracorp
Does Easy game vol 1 and 2 apply better to cash or mtt ??
The book is mostly about 6 max cash games as well as heads up cash games. But I think a few of the concepts and ideas could help with mtt.
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01-16-2010 , 10:40 PM
what books do u advise then for smal stakes mtt and sng ?

only read HoH so far
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01-17-2010 , 11:31 AM
Colin Moshmans book is pretty good for sng's
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01-17-2010 , 12:32 PM
I'd absolutely say it's worth the price for a easy to understand framework that explains the "why" of the game.

If I look at it as simply a book, then of course it's too expensive.

If I look at it as a tool that potentially chopped off 500-2k+ hours worth of play time experience (depending on learning ability) to get to the same level of thinking, then of course $1k is easily a good price for tuition. People pay tens of thousands of dollars all the time to sit there and listen to people talk in order to get an education knowing that the RIO is going to be worth it.

Passing up opportunity cost alone of playing micro stakes vs playing 100NL+ with a full understanding of the content in this book makes this decision not even close.
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01-17-2010 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabbershot
OT: I think I paid $75 for John Fox's classic and thought that was extraordinary at the time. Now somebody is selling it on Amazon for $400.
Fox's book is available at the Gambler's book store for $39.95. Is it still worth it?
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01-17-2010 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by avatar77
Fox's book is available at the Gambler's book store for $39.95. Is it still worth it?
If you want to play live, yes. This was written before the NLHE era, so there isn't much useful strategy.
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01-18-2010 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by piteiracorp
what books do u advise then for smal stakes mtt and sng ?

only read HoH so far
I suggest checking through some of the old threads. If you don't find the information you're looking for; feel free to make a new thread.
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01-18-2010 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabbershot
Most of the information in that book is not all that unique: bet sizing, isolation, pot control. etc. You can find it in plenty of sources. I'm not sure why one who would improve from that book could not get the same material cheaper and in a more accessible manner.

For Easy Game I to be a real book, it would need to be heavily revised and rewritten. It isn't that the material is bad so much as that it isn't anything we haven't see before. There's a marketing point with these e-books that at a high price, one must be buying privileged secrets on how to crush the game. That isn't necessarily so.

Just remember that the original price of Supersystem, in inflation-adjusted dollars, was $297.98. At the time, it was the only book of its kind and Internet forums didn't exist. So it was one of the few sources of serious poker info.
You are actually being very generous about this.The book contains very little 6 max material.It amounts to about 24 pages of material organised in 14 very short chapters.Comparing it to Ed Miller's Small Stakes No Limit Holdem it covers much the same subject area only there's far less of it and it completely misses out a lot of important topics eg in Easy Game vol 1 you get just over a page on 'Isolation theory'.On three-betting Siedman advises his readers to buy the Advanced book so three hundred bucks isn't enough to get his thoughts on this!My advice is to pay $65 for Ed Miller's 306 page book rather than £300 for the 30 pages of 6 max info in Easy Game Vol 1.It's the same sort of stuff only ten times as much for a fifth of the price.
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01-18-2010 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TrevRobCR

As for why the books cost so much? Well there are a lot of factors. First they front the money out of their own pocket to write the book, fund it, and distribute it. They have to pay for website development, marketing, editing, web site hosting, payment processors, customer support, etc. With companies such as 2p2, it's a huge company who orders the book and pays for all that and distributes the book in higher volume across the nation to bookstores where everyone can see and purchase it. With these ebooks, it's a target market.
This is extremely inaccurate. The largest cost that we have, by far, is printing, and at times the print cost of our inventory has been well over 1 million dollars. The things you mention are "a drop in the bucket" compared to what we do. In addition, we must completely pay for our printing before we receive any payment for the books that we sell. Also, once you have a large book inventory, there are many additional costs including salaries for book packers, etc, plus the cost of things you have never even thought of such as our fork lift.

But we are also going the ebook route, and I can guarantee you that the cost their is tiny compared to what we have to put out for production, storage, and handling of hard copy books. Also, if we misjudge what a book will sell, and this has happened due to the way the poker market has quickly changed, we end up with a lot of books that we can't sell and have to eat that cost.

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These players are great players but better instructors and authors. Baluga set the price according to what he felt the material in the book was worth for the target audience. These aren't books you just read with basic concepts in them like how to play AK like many 2p2 books. I've purchased about 20 poker books and maybe learned something new and small out of each one of them. Sure, that was worth the $30 price tag. However, that didn't improve or change my game drastically. I still had to figure many things out for myself. In the case of Baluga's Easy Game, it's not just another ordinary poker book. The book explains advanced concepts in today games. It breaks down concepts in easy to understand writing and doesn't withhold any questions you may have. This book is easily worth the price for anyone looking for the extra edge to improve their game, mostly SSNL/MSNL players. What you need to understand is that this book is almost like a complete coaching package from Baluga, which is worth well over the $900 price tag of this book.
Most of our books are in the 300 to 400 page range with many of them containing much theory and numerous detailed hand examples. Are you sure that all they tell you is how to play ace-king?

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I've also read "Let There Be Range" by Cole Sole. Is that worth the price tag? I feel like it was good, but that price tag of $1800 was a little too high. I feel it's easily worth its current price tag of $750 or whatever it is at. I learn more things in these e-books than I do any other standard $30 poker book because they are more advanced, which is the key concept.

Lastly, I don't care of Baluga becomes a losing player. His book is amazing and completely revamped my game. I'm sure I've already made the money back from the concepts I've learned and I can only continue to improve from there. His videos are also absolutely amazing. He is a great teacher, despite results, and the book is worth every penny. On top of that, you also don't have to worry about just anyone being able to read it. Only players who are serious on their game invest in it, and trust me, you won't see those guys at your stakes much longer.
You should care if the authors of these books are losing players. Furthermore, from what you have just written, your results derived from the information in the Baluga book come to around $1,000 dollar profit. That doesn't seem like much for a book that is completely "amazing."

MM
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01-18-2010 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Need Some Coaching
Winning 1.79 BB/100 over 213K hands is not that uncommon.

If someone is going to demand serious coin for strategy advice, he needs to have a track record I can trust. As in one million hands with a 3 BB/100+ winrate. That shows that someone is a consistent, disciplined winner over time.

Dusty Schmidt, for all his faults, is in that ballpark.
I disagree with this. As the games get tougher, especially at the higher limits where the games tend to be tougher still, an expert's relative win rate should drop. So depending on the game (and limits) 1.79 BB/100 may be extremely good.

Mason
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01-18-2010 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by avatar77
Fox's book is available at the Gambler's book store for $39.95. Is it still worth it?
No. It's a book about jacks-or-better draw poker which was a form of limit poker with only two rounds of betting meaning that many standard poker concepts, such as semi-bluffing, are not very important.

MM
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01-18-2010 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
No. It's a book about jacks-or-better draw poker which was a form of limit poker with only two rounds of betting meaning that many standard poker concepts, such as semi-bluffing, are not very important.

MM
Mason,

Thanks for your response on this. Your original rating on this book was 9 and your comments on it in GBOT suggested that it is a highly recommended book regardless of which game you play.

It is actually funny that the Gambling Book Store still have a bunch of old outdated books that they refuse to price down to clear and instead insist on selling it at full cover price... books like Jim Fox's book for $39.95 and Ken Buntjer's Secret to Winning Big in Poker book for $49.95.
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01-18-2010 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by avatar77
Mason,

Thanks for your response on this. Your original rating on this book was 9 and your comments on it in GBOT suggested that it is a highly recommended book regardless of which game you play.

It is actually funny that the Gambling Book Store still have a bunch of old outdated books that they refuse to price down to clear and instead insist on selling it at full cover price... books like Jim Fox's book for $39.95 and Ken Buntjer's Secret to Winning Big in Poker book for $49.95.
The Fox book has value from a historical perspective, but they should throw the Buntjer books away.

Mason
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01-20-2010 , 11:18 AM
i have watched many of baluga's vids on DC and was wondering how much of the book material is covered in those videos or is new information???
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01-20-2010 , 01:11 PM
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01-24-2010 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1270
i have watched many of baluga's vids on DC and was wondering how much of the book material is covered in those videos or is new information???
bump and i just had a look at the baluga website and it seems like a ghost town - is there an active private forum for owners of the book?

thanks
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10-10-2010 , 05:24 PM
hey guys. I am still trying to find Easy game II. I like the first volume, but I cannot find the second one anywhere
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