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04-22-2012, 09:05 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 6,291
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by HairyG
I have a question about a hand example from your book - its on page 95, Hand 5.
The hand is raised by a 12/6/1.1 with a 3% 3B OTB for 4X, and you call in the BB with A4s, approximately 100 blinds effective.
In your analysis you state that you are happy to take a flop versus a tight passive villain. Can you elaborate on this? I would have thought that the decision would have been between 3 betting and folding because he has folded to 3 out of 4 3 bets, and we are only 100bb deep.
Thanks in advance
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A4s is a good hand vs. most player's opening ranges (which tend to be wide - 35%+ of hands). On the other hand, it's a hand that is tough to play out of position, especially vs. this type of player's 3-bet calling range.
So why inflate the pot out of position with a hand that is likely to be dominated? Nothing wrong with seeing a flop and going from there.
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04-22-2012, 09:10 PM
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#122
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Virginia
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by andyg2001
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Where did you order from? Some places take a while to deliver unfortunately. I try to ship them from my house within a day or two.
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04-23-2012, 12:24 AM
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#123
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stranger
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 12
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
Hiya, I bought the book last week and you promptly sent it out as the tracker said it was in the sorting facility by the same evening. I was just wondering since it seems to have been sent to 2 other sorting places now (friday the last update on it) how long it roughly will take to arrive in Canada. I would like to start playing on pokerstars after getting your book as I am just playing soft games at 888 now. Any idea on shipping times since googling gave me vary odd answers.
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04-23-2012, 04:48 AM
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#124
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 6,291
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by MCCatnip
Hiya, I bought the book last week and you promptly sent it out as the tracker said it was in the sorting facility by the same evening. I was just wondering since it seems to have been sent to 2 other sorting places now (friday the last update on it) how long it roughly will take to arrive in Canada. I would like to start playing on pokerstars after getting your book as I am just playing soft games at 888 now. Any idea on shipping times since googling gave me vary odd answers.
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I'm not sure. I would expect you to get it in the next few days. Please let me know what the shipping times end up being once you get it.
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04-23-2012, 09:00 AM
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#125
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enthusiast
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 71
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by verneer
A4s is a good hand vs. most player's opening ranges (which tend to be wide - 35%+ of hands). On the other hand, it's a hand that is tough to play out of position, especially vs. this type of player's 3-bet calling range.
So why inflate the pot out of position with a hand that is likely to be dominated? Nothing wrong with seeing a flop and going from there.
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Thanks for the response. A couple more questions about the hand if you don't mind.
1. If its a hand that is likely to be dominated, why are we calling instead of folding?
2. What hands are we looking to extract value from if he is tight passive? Are we looking to donk a lot of dry boards? I like your idea of having a plan for every hand, and am wondering what the plan is with this.
3. Using the same logic, should we be calling with the same hand from the button versus the villain opening from the cutoff? Assuming his button and cutoff ranges to be similar.
4. Do you think much value is lost by folding.
Sorry if it seems like I am nit picking, I just want to understand the thought process behind your play rather than just memorising it.
Thanks again.
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04-23-2012, 09:37 AM
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#126
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stranger
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 12
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by verneer
I'm not sure. I would expect you to get it in the next few days. Please let me know what the shipping times end up being once you get it.
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Alright, but I do want to let people know you bring it over to the post promptly so that's good. Seems like it went from your local post office, to the main one in Atlanta, then for some odd reason down to Florida (hopefully to fly up to Toronto). If not it might be headed the wrong way lol!
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04-23-2012, 11:34 AM
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#127
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 2,765
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by verneer
Where did you order from? Some places take a while to deliver unfortunately. I try to ship them from my house within a day or two.
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From the UK. It seems like it's been stuck in Atlanta sort office scine the 14th. I know it was shipped not long after the order, but seems to have got stuck in the U.S.
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04-23-2012, 11:51 AM
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#128
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 6,291
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by andyg2001
From the UK. It seems like it's been stuck in Atlanta sort office scine the 14th. I know it was shipped not long after the order, but seems to have got stuck in the U.S.
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I expect you to get it in the next few days. The website doesn't update any more after the order leaves the United States. Usually UK orders take about 10-12 days to get there.
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04-23-2012, 12:56 PM
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#129
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 2,765
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by verneer
I expect you to get it in the next few days. The website doesn't update any more after the order leaves the United States. Usually UK orders take about 10-12 days to get there.
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Ok thanks.
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04-23-2012, 01:49 PM
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#130
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 354
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by andyg2001
From the UK. It seems like it's been stuck in Atlanta sort office scine the 14th. I know it was shipped not long after the order, but seems to have got stuck in the U.S.
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Mine seemed like the same, I'd expect it to get it before the end of the week at the latest.
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04-23-2012, 02:29 PM
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#131
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old hand
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,248
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
good to know, I'll prob be ordering a copy to the uk next month.
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04-23-2012, 03:32 PM
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#132
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Virginia
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
State what game(s) your book is targeted for
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My book is aimed for players winning less than 2BB/100 at limits lower than 200NL. All the examples are from Full Ring games, but the strategy is general enough to be applicable for short-handed players.
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Explain why the information in your book will help someone beat that game by a good amount.
MM
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In both 2010 and 2011 I've started with very small deposits ($99 and $200 respectively) and grinded out $10,000+ bankrolls starting at the micro stakes (5NL & 10NL) and moving through the small stakes (100NL & 200NL) as my bankroll grew.
This experience has served as the blueprint for the book. So basically: I've done it myself twice, reflected on the experience, and written about it to the best of my ability.
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04-23-2012, 04:15 PM
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#133
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veteran
Join Date: May 2011
Location: What do you see?
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by verneer
In both 2010 and 2011 I've started with very small deposits ($99 and $200 respectively) and grinded out $10,000+ bankrolls starting at the micro stakes (5NL & 10NL) and moving through the small stakes (100NL & 200NL) as my bankroll grew.
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But how much did you lose?
Honestly it's hard to believe anyone is seriously questioning the value of a bankroll building guide by Verneer given his well-publicized results at these stakes.
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04-23-2012, 06:53 PM
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#134
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stranger
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 7
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
While this book was slightly irrelevant to me (I play nl50-100 and know/knew MOST of the stuff in this book), I think anyone who is trying to grind out the microstakes and move up in stakes is doing a disservice to themselves by not picking this up.
Verneer has done a fantastic job with this book. It's very well laid out, and is extremely easy to read. I read and own most poker books out on the market today. In my opinion, this is of the same calibre as The Poker Blueprint; which is widely accepted as one of the best current books available for teaching solid fundamentals.
I wish this book was available when I was starting up.
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04-23-2012, 08:07 PM
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#135
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stranger
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 12
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Re: Building a Bankroll, Full Ring Edition
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Originally Posted by FourKing
While this book was slightly irrelevant to me (I play nl50-100 and know/knew MOST of the stuff in this book), I think anyone who is trying to grind out the microstakes and move up in stakes is doing a disservice to themselves by not picking this up.
Verneer has done a fantastic job with this book. It's very well laid out, and is extremely easy to read. I read and own most poker books out on the market today. In my opinion, this is of the same calibre as The Poker Blueprint; which is widely accepted as one of the best current books available for teaching solid fundamentals.
I wish this book was available when I was starting up.
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More of the fact that he has actually done it...recently and can back it up. Also this poker forum seems to be built around reputation, and he seems to have plenty.
Side note anyone from Canada, pref Toronto get it? Also wondering if ppl are up for some kind of study group as we all have the desire to improve and solid starting material. (I'm playing 10nl beating it at around 15BB/100) I keep fancy playing when I move up, but good thing I know to move back down. Planning to attempt to play full time in summer and see how it goes.
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