Verneer,

You seem to be getting a lot of rave reviews on this thread so I'm stringly considering a purchase. Just a question to you or anyone else that could possibly answer!

I only play in live full ring games ranging from .20/.40 blinds up to 2/2 when I drive from my home in Atlanta to Jacksonville for a weekend to play. Online isn't really available to me, so would it still be a good idea to purchase this? I'm sure it's full of a ton of great information, but just want to be 100% sure. All my games are full of level 1 and really bad level 2 thinkers at these stakes with a few sharks appearing every now and then.

Hope this question hasn't been asked already in similar fashion! Will probably buy anyways, but just thought I'd ask!

Also, you live in Athens? How does a Tennessee grad survive in that area?

is there a version for 6max for the same? thanks

received it here at Colombia, I did a quick read but it has alot of information and alot of work to do.Some concepts are really easy to understand, and others need more study and practice at the tables. Ty very much man!

The book is written with the online player in mind, but poker logic is poker logic - discussion of ranges and best plays is universal for NLHE.

Here is what DiamondDog said about that.

And here is what Tommycee2 said (look at bottom).

Stay at home a lot on Saturdays in the fall Katy and I are moving to Blacksburg, VA in a few weeks though.

Cool! No plans for a Kindle format right now due to formatting reasons.

No, but most of the information is useful for 6-max players.

Yes, but as krissyb24 (A SNE player) wrote "Considering the book was recommended for micro and small stakes players, I thought it would be pretty basic and that I would just look through it for fun. Well, I ended up reading the whole thing front to back. Not only is it extremely organized and well written, it's full of great information and he covers all aspects of the game. I highly recommend this book for anyone looking to get into cash games, playing micro/low stakes, or just lacking solid cash game fundamentals."

Awesome! Glad it got there safely

Hey verneer big fan of yours, specially of this thread... where can i order the book???

Btw i live in Peru so if its being sold in amazon or some big selller it would be great..

Thanks! I have it on Amazon. If you are looking for an eBook, you can pick it up from ProfessionalPoker.com.

So I thought I'd leave comments or a little review about the book.

But then I thought "I'm the same as most others on 2p2, why should anybody care give more credence to me? I'm not well known or respected like DD or ASB. Lets see if we can make the results speak for themselves."

A bit of background information.



That was taken before stars blocked all of PTRs tracking of their players of course and around a month before I purchased Building a Bankroll. I think it's pretty accurate. Even has my 3 individual nights of bankroll destroying PLO spin ups. As you can see I was a losing slowly and consistently over time. A losing reg if you will.

This is me now after around 100k hands and using Building a Bankroll heavily as reference.



I decided to start over and deposited $80. That was bankroll and I was gonna work it up using a 30BI and move up roll. Started off at 0.02NL ZOOM and have worked my way to ~$250 currently at 0.05NL ZOOM. There's a mix of 6max and FR in there as well as some time (less than 5%) in regular games. Around 70% FR and 30% 6max. Once I start to get to the top end of a stake and I feel more comfortable with the slightly larger 6max swings then I have the option of playing 6max.

There a number of concepts and methods of work I've taking from this book.

One of the main ones is focusing on good decision making coupled with session review. If you have understanding of variance (the book as one of the best explanations of it I've seen yet), I've found tilt becomes much easier to keep in check when you take a beat beat if you focus on your decision making. Did villain suck out? Yes. Was your decision leading up to the all in sound? Yes. The suck out then becomes a lot easiest to take and you can move past it knowing you played it right. Same method applies when you hit the very top of a players range.

However when you make a questionable decision then that's when reviewing your game comes into play. After every session I play I review every hand that was 50BB or more. One particular situation that has come more than once for me and is actually an example in the book I think. You have UTG raises for 3BB, hero in MP 3bets to 9BB, a 7/5 with 1.6% 3bet 0% 4bet cold 4bets to 25BB out of the SB. Ask most of the uNL players and they will say "Never fold KK preflop" as a blanket rule, bollocks. Given these stats what else is SB supposed to have aside from AA the majority of the time? This type of logical thinking is present throughout the book over a range of situations and has helped my confidence playing NLHE a ton.

There are tons of concepts throughout the book, all extremely well laid out with examples of how to implement them. From an explanation of the Baluga Theorem, to pot control with various methods, to building reads on players with stats to the discussion of the physiological aspects of poker ie the mental game.

A quick note about the mental game section of the book. As others have said it uses references from both Tommy Angelo's and Jared Tendler's books. I have Tendler's book but I liked having both books quoted here. It gave a chance for a slightly different take on a subjects that all pokers should be keenly aware of.

I could praise this book all day long. I'm constantly going back to it. Looking up the situation that I just had that I found difficult and then checking to see how I handled it in the past to compare.

One minor gripe would be the slight lack of explanation of some of the terms used. For example, Verneer starts to talk about implied odds but as far as I can tell doesn't actually explain exactly what they are. I know it seems a bit idiot guide and a simple google search would fix that if you didn't know already but a quick one line to explain the maths would be good. It might sound harsh but given how thorough the rest of the book is I don't see why something like that can't be put in. Maybe a small glossary at the back?

Anyways. The TL: DR version of this post is this, buy this book. Even if you have read Verneers challenge PDFs, buy this book. Just buy this book already.

My long term goal is to make back that $3.2k in the PTR pic. There are still areas of my game that I know require improvement and I continue to work on all parts of my game. It may take a long time but given the tools in this book I'm almost certain I'll get that $3.2k eventually.

Way to go Raymoth! Deliberate practice + proper mindset = solid results. I hope they continue!

Hi Verneer,

- Maybe a silly question, why buy this book rather than reading the 2010 and 2011 thread ?

- What is the best way to get it if I live in france ?

Sorry for my not perfect English

It's much better written, has over 75 up-to-date detailed hand examples with discussion and analysis, and offers a more cohesive guide to winning poker.

It's just ... better. If you benefited from the 2010 and 2011 threads, then you will benefit that much more from this book. I basically spent five months thinking about what to say about winning poker at those stakes and this book is the product of that.

If you like eBooks, I would recommend getting it. Otherwise, just order it from the mtmicropoker.com site.

A slight variation on the previous question:
Does this book offer anything not contained in your CR series? (of which I am a HUGE fan!)

For sure. The biggest thing is depth and breadth of information. There is only so much I can cover in a CR video. This is ~200 pages of densely packed, peer reviewed, and re-edited content.

Amazon.com has a "look inside" feature if you search for the book there. Feel free to browse the TOC and read some sample pages to get a feel for the book.

Finished my copy of the book recently. It is probably the best and most applicable book I have purchased so far. It is more or less a blue print for beating the games I am currently playing. Following the advice in this book, you will be hard pressed not to be a long term winner up to at least 50NL. Will definitely read again!

Hey Verneer I just finished your book today and am looking to keep studying it and putting it into play as I am getting back into poker.

I think you wrote a very clear and easy to understand book. Some books I have read before are all over the place in their logic and the way they outline things but yours is very easy to follow and understand! I have been waiting for someone to write about variance in poker and how to remain a student/review sessions for a long time. Thanks for that! I also think that it is great that you are trying to teach the core fundamentals first in this book. Just like any other area of study like math for instance you don't start out learning calculus before learning the more basic and common things!

I have a question about the hand examples and why you only included examples from 10 and 25NL and nothing higher? You played all the way up to 100NL for your challenge, no?

Yes I did. My original intent was for this book to serve as a primer for a NLHE player and thus I used only the 10/25NL examples. I was planning to do a follow-up with some more advanced thoughts and use the 50/100NL examples for that. As the writing process continued, I included many of the ideas I planned to use later in this book but just kept the 10/25NL examples.

Were you able to illustrate the same concepts using the 10/25NL examples instead of adding in 50/100NL examples that you planned to use later on?

Have you completely ruled out a follow-up then? I would definitely be interested and am sure others here would too!

Just bought the book. Thank you very much for writing it!!

Questions, please:

Your book is based on RUSH FR games. Any things to keep in mind when "translating" the info to regular FR tables? Do you think RUSH FR plays the same as regular FR? If not, how do they differ?

P.S. You seem like a great guy -- best wishes to you and yours.

The only difference is gameflow and table dynamics can effect the way people play

Hi there,

I have just purchased the book in ebook form. I have opened it successfully on my PC using Adobe DE but have not been able to open it on my iPad using Bluefire. I hit the link and it takes me to a page which asks if I would like to "open in Bluefire Reader" but when I press this there is no sign of the book in Bluefire (just the User Guide and Treasure Island!). Could you please give me a hand, and as an aside, why cant I read it using iBooks?

Cheers,

LB

HI LB,

Lets move this to PM after this as to not derail the thread.

The important question when you PM:

Did you register ADE with an Adobe user name and password before opening the file? This is absolutely necessary in order to share the file as that is how it registers ownership. If you installed the book without registering, it is locked to that single device and you cant share it to other devices. Your Bluefire install must use the same Adobe user name & PW.

I don't believe iBooks supports Adobe DRM. For a list of apps and devices that support it see: http://blogs.adobe.com/digitalpublis...ported-devices

The link only works once, then you have to transfer the file between devices, as long as all devices use the same Adobe registration ID. The way it is supposed to work, is that if your run ADE on your PC, then tether the iPad (or any other supported device) to the PC, the iPad should show up as an authorized device in ADE that you can drag and drop files into. If the ADE transfer method does not work, you can manually copy file. On the PC it is the folder “My Digital Editions” which is in you documents folder. Once you manually copy it to the iPad, Bluefire should have some process to open the file or add it to your library.

Hi Veneer,

As I mentioned above, I ordered your book. I also subscribed to cardrunners so I could watch your videos.

Which of your video series would you suggest those buying your book to work up through the micros watch and study?....and in which order? Maybe you could provide a list of your video series for both full ring (which I'm focusing on right now) and 6 max for those working through your book.

I see you have multiple climbing mt. micro and crushing the micro series at cardrunners. I'm not sure if you think the older ones apply as well to today's games as your more recent ones or not.

Basically, a cardrunners list of videos to study for those buying the book would be GREAT!

Thanks again for writing it (and for your videos)!

Hey! Sorry for getting back to you late - I've had limited access to the internet over the last two weeks due to my work at a summer camp.

I've written this post almost two years ago:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/12...unners-872770/

I think it could use an update. I did make 8 videos in 2011 which use the HH's and reflections which went into the book. I would just run a filter and look at the January - April videos from 2011 that I did and go from there. Also, I would look at anything by MDoranD as well (even though he's 6-max).

Hope that helps!

Hi, where did you buy the ebook? I want to buy the ebook not the book, but I couldn't find it.
Thanks

http://professionalpoker.com/IP.php?...&productID=506