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02-07-2013 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Yazzx
I should probably add the stats I need: 3-Bet, Turn C-Bet, Fold vs. Turn C-Bet, CO Raise First, BTN Raise First, SB Raise First, SB Fold vs. Steal, SB 3-Bet vs. Steal, BB Fold vs. Steal, BB 3-Bet vs. Steal.
I don't really color code my stat much these days, sorry.
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02-07-2013 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkthatflop
Hello,

I just started reading your book, and I have a question...
On chapter 2 about variance, on the first hand you show where you raise KK UTG+1 and the villan just flats from mid position, you c-bet the flop and he raises.

My question is, more times than not someone that flats MP has a pocket pair and that raise is really strong. I dont advocate an insta-fold, but I guess that he will have made the set a lot of times...

Am I thinking correctly?
Vs. a reg, it's def an insta-fold. Vs. a recreational player, I think shoving is fine - they will overplay top pair (as this one did) and other overpairs (99-QQ).

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Originally Posted by D1G1TALFOX
Great Job On Your Book "Building a Bankroll" almost done reading and just wanted to say I really enjoyed it.
Thank you!

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Originally Posted by WillianMates
Hey V,
I have one real question about today's games, do you think that zoom/rush games can be as profitable as the regular ones? My question comes from my own experience, my win rate is always much better at the regular tables, in them I always have a high game selection, starting most of my tables and playing lots of hands HU or really short handed.
It is clear that much oh the zoom/rush games advantage come from the really easy way of starting sessions, you also can take break whenever you want to. So in general, how you see those relationships? Do you beleve that now a days it is still better to build a bankroll from zoom/rush FR games?
No - I don't think zoom/rush are as profitable as regular tables because you cannot table select. On Stars, those games are also used by regs to put in a lot of easy volume. It's really all about your preference, but all else being equal, I can't see how regular tables won't be more profitable in terms of winrate.
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02-08-2013 , 05:04 PM
[/QUOTE]No - I don't think zoom/rush are as profitable as regular tables because you cannot table select. On Stars, those games are also used by regs to put in a lot of easy volume. It's really all about your preference, but all else being equal, I can't see how regular tables won't be more profitable in terms of winrate.[/QUOTE]

And in tems of usd per hour?
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02-12-2013 , 04:32 AM
hello verneer, i strat read ur book and it seems great.i hope its ok suggest somthing: one thing that i find a bit problematic and its a common problem to other books too, is that it is very hard to memorize the open bet ranges. do u have any tip how to do it? harrington in his 6max book stacked them in groups like "suited connectors" "offsuit broadways" etc.
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02-12-2013 , 06:47 AM
Hi, I have read your book and think the advice is pretty solid. With some luck. experience and terrible oppoents, I can enjoy 20bb/100 over 30k hands with 35 std dev/100 at fishy site at NL10.But since they dont have enough fullring table for moving up, I take a look at the zoom table, I find the vpip is just terriblly low (10%). Do you think playing a solid game at zoom can earn you 7-8bb/100 in the long run? Actually I am attracted by the speed but turned off by the player pool.

thx
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02-12-2013 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by WWWWWWHAT?OOOOO K
hello verneer, i strat read ur book and it seems great.i hope its ok suggest somthing: one thing that i find a bit problematic and its a common problem to other books too, is that it is very hard to memorize the open bet ranges. do u have any tip how to do it? harrington in his 6max book stacked them in groups like "suited connectors" "offsuit broadways" etc.
Repetition - lots and lots of practice. The ranges I gave are more of a "average suggested range" - at some tables I open wider and at some I open tighter.
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02-12-2013 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by themchose1
Hi, I have read your book and think the advice is pretty solid. With some luck. experience and terrible oppoents, I can enjoy 20bb/100 over 30k hands with 35 std dev/100 at fishy site at NL10.But since they dont have enough fullring table for moving up, I take a look at the zoom table, I find the vpip is just terriblly low (10%). Do you think playing a solid game at zoom can earn you 7-8bb/100 in the long run? Actually I am attracted by the speed but turned off by the player pool.

thx
I think that's the central issue with zoom - the player pool is a little stronger because of the convenience. I cannot answer how that translates into winrates at a given limit though.
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02-18-2013 , 02:42 PM
Hi,

I see you still pay attention to this thread. I just wanted you to know that I picked up a copy of your book (Kindle - sorry, I know the rate structure is less than your ideal) and am looking forward to reading it. I'm curious to see how long it will take to earn back the purchase price. :-)

The main reason for this post is that I wanted you to know that this is the first time I've bought a book largely on my perception of the character of the author. I have tremendous respect for the work you do responding to people in this thread as well as for the general quality of your posts on twoplustwo. My printed copy of your "moving up through uNL 2010" is getting a bit ratty from use!

Good on ya!

Best wishes

beeker
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02-19-2013 , 02:56 AM
Hi, was wondering where your paperbook copy is available for purchase. Thanks
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02-19-2013 , 03:48 AM
Verneer,

You've stated in your blog that you plan on releasing some sort of an ebook on beating ssnl in 2013. Will this be mostly the same stuff as "Building a Bankroll"? Or have the games changed considerably in the past 2 years that we need to make adjustments from what's taught in this book?
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02-20-2013 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ddx19
Verneer,

You've stated in your blog that you plan on releasing some sort of an ebook on beating ssnl in 2013. Will this be mostly the same stuff as "Building a Bankroll"? Or have the games changed considerably in the past 2 years that we need to make adjustments from what's taught in this book?
It's very similar, but more in-depth and geared for 6-max players.
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02-20-2013 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 3BarrelSlinger
Hi, was wondering where your paperbook copy is available for purchase. Thanks
http://www.professionalpoker.com/Cat...ing-a-Bankroll
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02-21-2013 , 07:54 PM
In the book you talk about losing in non showdown winnings at a rate bigger than 5BB/100 being a leak. That is my case. How should i try to fix it?
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02-22-2013 , 03:29 AM
^^ Find the thread "The last red-line post ever" by mpethybridge.
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02-22-2013 , 12:24 PM
Tks! Will take a look into both threads.
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03-06-2013 , 03:16 AM
Hi Verneer!
I am playing NL50 zoom 6max and I am considering to expand my (large) poker library further.
But the thing is this. I am currently trying to change my descision making process. Up to now, these have been the questions I have been asking myself:
- What is villains range?
- Is he strong or weak?
- Am I ahead or behind?
- What can I represent?
Basically I´ve try to play the Villains range, and to some extent his perception of my range.
What I am trying to move towards is having my range balanced in all spots, trying to move towards that unatainable goal: GTO-play.
Since I play zoom, and reads are harder to come by, it seems more logical to look at my own range and construct it in ways that makes my hard to play against.

Now the question:
In your books (Building a bankroll as well as your new "chapter-books"), how do you view this process?
I don´t want to invest in books that pull me in the direction I am moving away from.
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03-06-2013 , 07:04 AM
MLjung: My book is probably not for you then. If you are looking for GTO-play, I recommend that you pick up Matthew Janda's "Applications of No Limit Holdem" when it comes out. You can get a preview of it here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...ld-em-1299572/

Good luck!
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03-06-2013 , 07:27 AM
Thank´s for your answer!
GL to you as well.
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05-18-2014 , 11:53 AM
Hey,

I bought your book in protected pdf mode about 1.5 years ago. I saw that now it's also on Kindle. Can I get a free copy of this book in Kindle format, or I must buy it again?
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06-02-2014 , 03:53 AM
does this still hold up in todays game? even if we do not use HUDs in our game and play RUSH along with FR and 6max?
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07-30-2014 , 09:29 AM
verneer? U there?
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04-15-2015 , 02:18 PM
Isnt this book out of date already ? If I get it, will it help me to get from NL10 CG 6max (I know, not FR) higher ??
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