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kitaristi0 05-27-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Lolo (Post 4348958)
Let me ask you an investment question.

What would be a better investment for a low stakes online player:

1. A Deuces Cracked subscription for about $300 year?

0r

2. The $750 book?

Why are you presenting it as an either/or situation? Clearly both of the options are a valuable investment for a low stakes, mid stakes or even high stakes player, and if you are committed to improving your game and bettering yourself as a poker player you should invest in both options.

BobbyLight 05-27-2008 03:14 PM

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I can't see how it's $725 better than a Harrington or Sklansky book.

Pokamon4e 05-27-2008 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kitaristi0 (Post 4351162)
Why are you presenting it as an either/or situation? Clearly both of the options are a valuable investment for a low stakes, mid stakes or even high stakes player, and if you are committed to improving your game and bettering yourself as a poker player you should invest in both options.

Well, just suppose your means are limited.

RedJoker 05-27-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokamon4e (Post 4352590)
Well, just suppose your means are limited.

For a micro stakes player or low small stakes player (100nl), a subscription to DC probably has more value/$ and won't kill your bankroll.

For a 200nl+ player the book is probably better value/$ but there's no reason not to have both......and probably a LeggoPoker subscription as well.

Geode 05-27-2008 07:42 PM

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Get a subscription to CR or DC. When at 100NL get LP. At 200NL get the other one DC or CR. Get a coach or Bobbo's book, or both (preferably). Then print money.

breathweapon 05-27-2008 07:44 PM

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For those reading it, how does it compare to BillyJex's or Ryan Fee's Ebooks?

Not Lolo 05-28-2008 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kitaristi0 (Post 4351162)
Why are you presenting it as an either/or situation? Clearly both of the options are a valuable investment for a low stakes, mid stakes or even high stakes player, and if you are committed to improving your game and bettering yourself as a poker player you should invest in both options.

If you had a $2500 bankroll what would be the better investment?

A Deuces Cracked subscription for about $300 year?

0r

2. The $750 book?

To be priced at $750 this should be something awfully special. There is a lot of good poker material available for a lot less thats my point. It makes one wonder what's so special about this book.

If in 1994 I had a opportunity to purchase Dan Harrington's first 2 tourney books I would have paid $750 bucks, if the book wouldn't be widely available until much later. This book should be that revolutionary at it current price with the excellent instruction available today.

Lego05 05-28-2008 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyLight (Post 4351222)
I can't see how it's $725 better than a Harrington or Sklansky book.

Did you read it?



I read all of Harrington's tourney books and several Sklansky books. Even counting just 4 of these books I guess I payed like $120 for them.



I don't se any way the $120 for those books is even at all close to worth what a book written in exceptional detail and constantly updated for free by an actual online high stakes winner who has a track record of coaching people into big mid and high stakes winners is worth.



I keep going back and forth on buying this RIGHT now....damnit.

Lego05 05-28-2008 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Lolo (Post 4362518)

If in 1994 I had a opportunity to purchase Dan Harrington's first 2 tourney books I would have paid $750 bucks, if the book wouldn't be widely available until much later. This book should be that revolutionary at it current price with the excellent instruction available today.

Uh....I don't think his books were very revolutionary. They were very very good for the basic person starting to try to learn tournament poker. But I think that's pretty close to it.

DoGGz 05-28-2008 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyLight (Post 4351222)
I can't see how it's $725 better than a Harrington or Sklansky book.

So, what if you are already a better cash player then Harrington and Sklansky?

This books audience is not players who are doing to get anything our of Harrington on Cash.

Not Lolo 05-28-2008 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lego05 (Post 4362691)
Uh....I don't think his books were very revolutionary. They were very very good for the basic person starting to try to learn tournament poker. But I think that's pretty close to it.

In 1995? There was nothing like it.

I was playing poker tourney's in 1995 were you?

Most players were nits or donkeys by todays standards.

These books would have been pure gold back then.

tubasteve 05-28-2008 10:00 AM

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hes clearly not marketing a $750 book to small stakes players. so to people making the value argument, yes your points are valid, but irrelevant to the fact that his book contains very high level info that cannot be found anywhere else. its just simple supply/demand. if no one buys the book for 750, maybe he'll lower it.

Not Lolo 05-28-2008 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tubasteve (Post 4365452)
hes clearly not marketing a $750 book to small stakes players. so to people making the value argument, yes your points are valid, but irrelevant to the fact that his book contains very high level info that cannot be found anywhere else. its just simple supply/demand. if no one buys the book for 750, maybe he'll lower it.

Fair enough. I respect your posts a lot and I am sure it's a good book. I just was making a comparison with the DC question. I think my Harrington example from 1994 makes the point. With all the quality info available on poker in 2008 setting a price this high makes one asks, what makes this book so good? I ain't about to pay $750 bucks to find out.

futuredoc85 05-28-2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyLight (Post 4351222)
I can't see how it's $725 better than a Harrington or Sklansky book.

You also can't see that a 2 million hand sample means you are a losing player

futuredoc85 05-28-2008 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Lolo (Post 4367498)
Fair enough. I respect your posts a lot and I am sure it's a good book. I just was making a comparison with the DC question. I think my Harrington example from 1994 makes the point. With all the quality info available on poker in 2008 setting a price this high makes one asks, what makes this book so good? I ain't about to pay $750 bucks to find out.

No one is blaming you (i dont think). If $750 is a significant % of your BR then you are not the intended audience IMO. I can say with 100% certainty that Rob is largely responsible for my progression from a decent winner at 1/2 to a fairly big winner at 2/4-5/10, and there is no where you can get the kind of information you'll get from him for less than $750. You could probably hire a coach and learn most of it, but a coach that is on the same level as Rob is going to cost more than Rob's book just for a couple hours of work.

amulet 05-29-2008 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by diezel (Post 4332709)
it's basicly 10 hours + of coaching written down for you
compare it with coaching, not with some lousy sklansky book

this is an amazing post. the words "some lousy sklansky book" show a complete lack of how good most of sklansky's books are and how much he contributed to the understanding of all poker.

pot odds, implied odds, outs, board texture, semi bluffing, probabilities on your opponents cards, position, and many other key subjects were ether;
1. written about and explain in far greater detail
or
2. first written about in sklansky's books.

david's sklansky's books provided a knowledge base that most poker books on the market, including the nl books and post here, are expanding on.

that doesn't mean that there are not other terrific authors and books. and that certain subjects like nl play won't be taken to new levels. but most of what is written in 2+2 posts, and most of what we know about poker and poker theory was expressed in sklansky's books long before anyone else wrote about them (and i suspect before the arrogant and unaware poster was born).

amulet 05-29-2008 04:49 AM

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additionally, i think top is probably still the best or most important poker book ever written.

Not Lolo 05-29-2008 05:09 AM

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As usual good posts. Amulet and I agree.

mucked4u 05-29-2008 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by amulet (Post 4381332)
this is an amazing post. the words "some lousy sklansky book" show a complete lack of how good most of sklansky's books are and how much he contributed to the understanding of all poker.

pot odds, implied odds, outs, board texture, semi bluffing, probabilities on your opponents cards, position, and many other key subjects were ether;
1. written about and explain in far greater detail
or
2. first written about in sklansky's books.

david's sklansky's books provided a knowledge base that most poker books on the market, including the nl books and post here, are expanding on.

that doesn't mean that there are not other terrific authors and books. and that certain subjects like nl play won't be taken to new levels. but most of what is written in 2+2 posts, and most of what we know about poker and poker theory was expressed in sklansky's books long before anyone else wrote about them (and i suspect before the arrogant and unaware poster was born).


Anyone who is unconscious of the contributions Dave has made to the game Amulet is in dire need of taking up some other interest.
Daves contributions revolutionized poker. :cool:

breathweapon 05-29-2008 10:47 AM

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Considering the purchase, for those who've read it, how does it compare to BillyJex or Ryan Fee's online 6max book?

tubasteve 05-29-2008 01:03 PM

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from what i know its much more advanced than fee's book, but i havent read billyjex's

runout_mick 10-20-2008 08:41 AM

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Bobbofitos stopped offering his book for awhile (presumably to figure out anti-pirating concerns). Does anyone know if he's resumed sales on it?

Jbrochu 10-20-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by runout_mick (Post 6698603)
Bobbofitos stopped offering his book for awhile (presumably to figure out anti-pirating concerns). Does anyone know if he's resumed sales on it?

He said he's going to resume selling it today or tomorrow. Check in at leggo I'm sure that's where the details will be posted when it happens.

Ulkis 12-16-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by diezel (Post 4332709)
it's basicly 10 hours + of coaching written down for you
compare it with coaching, not with some lousy sklansky book

I've laughed 2 days for this now...need a break soon.

De Niro 12-18-2008 07:28 PM

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seriously thinking about buying this book. mostly good reviews...but I guess people who didn't like it won't admit spending 750 on an e-book.


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