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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
Hi Matt. I had a question for you about dealing with flop raises.
I have a hard time constructing ranges for defending vs. flop raises where our betting range is 2:1 bluffs or more. I won't often have a 3betting range, and if I do it's fairly small, so that means b/c with a pretty significant number of bluffs.
Although we will usually have at least a few bluffs that have some kind of showdown value and can bluff catch, when we are oop, those hands will lose a significant % of the time even to random garbage. We will do a little better with those types of hands in position, but they will also more often be better to check in the first place.
Just wondering if you had any thoughts specifically about this segment of our flop betting range. Sorry if this is already discussed somewhere and I missed it, and thanks for all the time you've spent answering questions.
I think you want to remember the 2:1 ratio comes from a model and it's not going to work that well when you aren't particularly polarized. While flop raising ranges are often (but not always) really polarized, flop betting usually ranges aren't.
For example if you bet as button vs BB on a Q83r board, I would think you're bet/calling all your queens, all your eights (and you probably bet J8+ or so on the flop, depending on how big you bet), TT and 99, and most if not all your gutshots.
When OOP, you probably shouldn't be betting all that often in theory. I know in Applications I recommended a really low CB frequency when CO vs button (for the time when the book came out), but if you look at PokerSnowie the CB frequency it uses in these positions is often much lower. So you don't want to bet too frequently against someone good or you will have trouble defending your flop bets.
I was curious so I just checked, PokerSnowie only CB 20% of the time CO vs btn on Q83r. I didn't dig deeper, but if you CB at that low of frequency, I don't imagine it's too hard to bet/call your AQ/KQ and your gutters with BDFD (which almost all your gutshots will be). Then you can fold some of your weaker stuff.
Hopefully that helps, but if not it might be better if you ask me a specific board/situatoin as I'm not sure what boards are giving you trouble.