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08-15-2015 , 05:23 AM
How would you alter your 3 betting out of the blinds sitting 300 BB deep?
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08-15-2015 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Janda
I would go with PokerSnowie ranges over my ranges.
Those ranges look really weird and the sb uses a limping strategy using certain percentages for a lot of hands which is just way over my head.
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08-15-2015 , 01:47 PM
Also will someone explain to me how a pot size bet is calculated, I thought I understood it but snowie says to open 0.5psb which to me is 1.75bb?
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08-15-2015 , 04:08 PM
Sorry for spamming but i have been messing around with pokersnowie for the first time i imported last nights session of 2k hands and its saying i played at expert level with only 10 blunders. I am a terrible player playing at 10nl?
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08-15-2015 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Eu.Era
Also will someone explain to me how a pot size bet is calculated, I thought I understood it but snowie says to open 0.5psb which to me is 1.75bb?
It's raise size from the SB is a pot-sized raise.

PS ignores the case where the SB limps. Before you raise, you have to have not folded, therefore from any other position the pot has 2.5bb in it before you raise.

So 0.5 * 2.5bb + 1 bb equals 2.25 bb.

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Originally Posted by Eu.Era
Those ranges look really weird and the sb uses a limping strategy using certain percentages for a lot of hands which is just way over my head.
PS plays against a BOT that knows its strategy. PS has determined that those ranges can't be improved even if someone knows its pre-flop strategy completely.
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08-16-2015 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Eu.Era
Sorry for spamming but i have been messing around with pokersnowie for the first time i imported last nights session of 2k hands and its saying i played at expert level with only 10 blunders. I am a terrible player playing at 10nl?
This is serious? I'm curious about what you say and would love to hear more details. About your experience level and the specific hands in question. Assuming it's not some sort of glitch.
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08-16-2015 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by apokerplayer
This is serious? I'm curious about what you say and would love to hear more details. About your experience level and the specific hands in question. Assuming it's not some sort of glitch.
Lol I don't think its a glitch i just re imported the whole session. I played terrible let me tell you.

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08-16-2015 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Eu.Era
Sorry for spamming but i have been messing around with pokersnowie for the first time i imported last nights session of 2k hands and its saying i played at expert level with only 10 blunders. I am a terrible player playing at 10nl?
There's a Pokersnowie thread in the Theory forum. FWIW, "Expert level" is not particularly impressive. You probably want to get your 'blunder rate' down to less than 1 blunder per 120 hands (your screen grab shows 21 blunders in 1800h), because it's probably hard to make money in the long run above 5NL unless Snowie thinks you're at least "World Class".
Many of the 500NLz crushers would get error rates lower than 4, which Snowie calls "Extra Terrrestrial".
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08-16-2015 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
There's a Pokersnowie thread in the Theory forum. FWIW, "Expert level" is not particularly impressive. You probably want to get your 'blunder rate' down to less than 1 blunder per 120 hands (your screen grab shows 21 blunders in 1800h), because it's probably hard to make money in the long run above 5NL unless Snowie thinks you're at least "World Class".
Many of the 500NLz crushers would get error rates lower than 4, which Snowie calls "Extra Terrrestrial".
Ahh ok thats cool then! I think i made some costly blunders that it missed, could it be that it missed them or that the plays actually where +ev.
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08-16-2015 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by maheepsangari
On page 46 where the EV is being calculated for calling a 5-bet jam with 45% equity, the equation is

-9.325=(0.45)(201.5)-100

which shows that we lose 9.325bb everytime we call a 5-bet jam with 45% equity.

Isn't the 100 wrong there as we don't lose 100 when we call the jam but we lose a lot less as part of our 100bb stack was already dead money?

Since we're looking from the 4-bettor's perspective who will all the 5-bet, would the equation be this?
(0.45)(201.5)-78 (if he 4-bet to 22bb)

Cause this would lead to an EV of 12.68 which seems rather high. Am I making a mistake somewhere? Cause with this EV the final EV would be

12.68(0.4)+7.5=12.57bb instead of the 3.77 which would be calculated by not changing the 100 to 78.
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Ok I've figured out why 100 is used. Cause we're trying to calculate the EV of hands that we began with the idea of reaching a stage where we 4-bet and call a 5-bet jam. hence we're trying to see what the overall EV of the hand is and if its <3.5bb our opening size so we figure out if we should even bother 4-betting in the first place.
I'm a little embarrassed to ask, but I can't figure this out.

On page 47 it reads:
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if our 4-bet has 45% equity against opponent's 5-bet jamming range, the total ev will be -9.325
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-9.325 = (.045)(201.5) - 100
Where does that 100 come from? I thought maybe it's 100bb buy-in stack. And after reading Mahee's self-reply, I'm inclined to believe that's what it means. The part I'm having trouble with, is understanding why, if our equity is 45% wouldn't the ev calculation look like:
.45(201.5) - .55(100)=35.65?
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08-16-2015 , 02:53 PM
Sounds like US chess rankings, where Expert is not that great.
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08-27-2015 , 07:08 PM
Woah Janda you have a book out? Whaaat?

Just ordered it. I'm one of the guys you used to coach for Jamin back in like 2008?
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09-21-2015 , 02:29 PM
Hi Matt,
don't understand p148 when you write the following equation when you consider 80% equity for value & 20% for bluff,

0.8X+0.2(1-X)=0.343

34,3% of your flop betting has to be bet for value on the turn and river right? but I don't see why these 34,3% are a combination of another value betting range like the equation state it.

I spent couple of hours to really understand but this chapter... I started to do calculations on my own. I started from the river and said:

75% bet size --> for the call : villain win 80%*(1-X)*1.75+20%*(X)*1.75- vilain loose 20%(1-X)*0.75-80%*X*0.75 and finally get lost
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09-27-2015 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankTheBunny
Woah Janda you have a book out? Whaaat?

Just ordered it. I'm one of the guys you used to coach for Jamin back in like 2008?
Got it. About 1/3 through. Really liking it so far. I know I'm going to have to go back and re-read a lot of this though. Very technical stuff
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09-29-2015 , 02:19 AM
Does anyone have a link to or can upload the foreword by Sauce123?
Google only finds a website where I have to pay for it? Can't find the original blog of Sauce on Leggopoker either.
Is it still somewhere? Thanks.
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09-29-2015 , 05:11 PM
Hello everyone! I'm a noob at poker, been playing only about a year microstakes and some small stakes (5-20e buy in) local bar tournaments couple of times a week. I've read SuperSystem (which was great for understanding the importance of aggressive play IMO) and I just finished reading Sklansky's The Theory of Poker.

Now my question is should I get Sklansky's "NL Hold'em: Theory and Practise" or do you consider it outdated compared to this book, ie. does this book cover the concepts and strategies of Sklansky's book plus even more? The mathematics won't be a problem.

Just asking because it would seem a waste of time to read NLHL:T&P if the Applications offers even better strategies and introduces the same concepts.
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09-30-2015 , 04:55 AM
Hi CoronalDischarge:

It's against our policy to go to another site and copy and post here a complete article since this can be a copyright violation. What you need to do is to put a link to the article of interest.

Best wishes,
Mason
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09-30-2015 , 02:39 PM
Hi Mason,
I copy-pasted it from my own word file. Didn't think that would be a problem since the piece hadn't ended up being published anywhere. Just trying to be helpful.
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10-13-2015 , 01:09 PM
Question about the opening range charts.

When he says he opens UTG for example 13.9%, what exactly does he mean. Is he opening 13.9% of the time with all those hands?

I feel like I'm missing some there here for sure. Can someone explain it like I'm 5 please.
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10-13-2015 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dirty moose
Question about the opening range charts.

When he says he opens UTG for example 13.9%, what exactly does he mean. Is he opening 13.9% of the time with all those hands?

I feel like I'm missing some there here for sure. Can someone explain it like I'm 5 please.
Not sure if I misunderstand your question here but are you asking what it means when someone is open raising x% of hands from a certain position?
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10-13-2015 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Not sure if I misunderstand your question here but are you asking what it means when someone is open raising x% of hands from a certain position?
You may have answered it, is that range of hands he lists 13.9% of total hands?
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10-13-2015 , 01:38 PM
Or is he opening 13.9% of the time, with that range of hands... Thay would make most sense.
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10-13-2015 , 01:38 PM
I don't have the book in front of me but I'd assume it is. Plug the range into equilab or something and it will show you if it is.
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10-13-2015 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dirty moose
Or is he opening 13.9% of the time, with that range of hands... Thay would make most sense.
That wouldn't make any sense if we're talking about opening ranges.
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10-13-2015 , 01:40 PM
You're right. I'm having a a senior moment, too bad I'm only 31
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