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01-21-2016 , 06:41 PM
Hi friends.

Is there any book which is not based on statistics? I mean, when I try to read a new book, I see that they are based on statistics provided with software such as Holdem manager or Poker tracker or ... I want a good book without that.


Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Wish you all the best,

Ghasem

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What games and tourney or cash ...
Cash actually.

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
What games and tourney or cash ...
Cash games and small or micro stakes actually. but it's not that important if it's not small or micro stakes.

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guess it is holdem poker and full ring ?

i think both cash game book by harrington would be ok.

PNL volume 1 by ed miller good too
Yeah, I mean NLH and full or 6-max games.
Thanks for your suggestions. any other suggestions would be appreciated.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 01-23-2016 at 05:46 AM. Reason: 4 posts merged
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01-24-2016 , 05:06 PM
How To Win Without Trying Very Hard
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01-25-2016 , 12:41 PM
gh43m -

It sounds like you're starting to increase your knowledge base to become a better player, which is great.

Unfortunately, besides being a game of psychology, poker is also a game of statistics and probability. Most all of the publications you read will contain math which as a poker player can help determine the best course of action to take. Some authors have spent an extraordinary amount of time researching these scenarios and statistics (Sklansky) and some authors are teaching to a moderate to advanced poker player to whom this type of analysis can be helpful (Brunson, Negrano).

But there are books out there that minimize your exposure, or at least make it a bit easier to digest figuring out pot odds, outs, EV and other math oriented poker scenarios.

Try starting out with Phil Gordon's poker box set and see how you fare.

http://www.amazon.com/Phil-Gordons-P.../dp/1416936424

Best of luck in your journey forward.
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02-04-2016 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by moxiepilot
gh43m -

It sounds like you're starting to increase your knowledge base to become a better player, which is great.

Unfortunately, besides being a game of psychology, poker is also a game of statistics and probability. Most all of the publications you read will contain math which as a poker player can help determine the best course of action to take. Some authors have spent an extraordinary amount of time researching these scenarios and statistics (Sklansky) and some authors are teaching to a moderate to advanced poker player to whom this type of analysis can be helpful (Brunson, Negrano).

But there are books out there that minimize your exposure, or at least make it a bit easier to digest figuring out pot odds, outs, EV and other math oriented poker scenarios.

Try starting out with Phil Gordon's poker box set and see how you fare.

http://www.amazon.com/Phil-Gordons-P.../dp/1416936424

Best of luck in your journey forward.


Dear friends,
Thanks for your advice.
actually, I think you kinda misunderstood me.
I mean with "any book without statistics" any book without that kind of stats provided with for example holdem manager such as "fold Vs 3bet" or "CB percentage" or...not the math.
When I read a book, I see that most part of the book talks about your opponent. For example, I see that it says :
"suppose you are on the Button, someone raises from OTG, if he is nit, and you have for example QQ, you need to fold, because...". The reason why it suggests this kind of play is based on stats which shows that he is nit and his range is narrow. Or it says "if that player is Loose, you can 3-bet him, cuz his range is wide."
so, when you study that book, in most of the book you see that it suggests if your opponent is tight, you do so, if he is loose, you do so, if he is weak-tight, you do so, if his "foldVs3-bet" is so, you do so and...
At the end of the book, you realize that you haven't learnt anything but watching their stats and play accordingly.
I NEED TO FIND SOME GOOD BOOKS JUST WITH THE INFORMATION YOU CAN GET RIGHT ON THE TABLE, NOT IN THE SOFTWARE.
Thanks again for your good advice.
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02-04-2016 , 11:31 AM
Harringtons books had no statistics if i recall correctly...
They are a bit old-school tho
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02-05-2016 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by omgwasabi
Harringtons books had no statistics if i recall correctly...
They are a bit old-school tho
Thanks for your reply. Actually I've read some review about those books and most of the people said that they are outdated and his conservative advice is not that useful in these day's aggressive play. And since they are about a thousand pages, I am hesitate to read them. So if you think it's worth reading or you know any other books with my desired feature, please just let me know.
Thanks in advance.
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02-05-2016 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by omgwasabi
Harringtons books had no statistics if i recall correctly...
They are a bit old-school tho
Hi omgwasabi:

Are you aware of Harrington on Modern Tournament Poker? It was published in May of 2014 so is a much newer book. Also, Harrington on Online Cash Games; 6-Max No-Limit Hold 'em was published in June 2010.

Best wishes,
Mason
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02-05-2016 , 11:23 AM
Great book not based on statistics

Spoiler:
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02-06-2016 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi omgwasabi:

Are you aware of Harrington on Modern Tournament Poker? It was published in May of 2014 so is a much newer book. Also, Harrington on Online Cash Games; 6-Max No-Limit Hold 'em was published in June 2010.

Best wishes,
Mason
Dear Mason,
I think he means HOC books.
Harrington on online 6-max is also based on statistics and the other one is for tournaments.
Do you have any suggestiobs about my desired features? (Playing based on information you can get right on the table)
Thanks in advance
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02-06-2016 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gh43m
Thanks for your reply. Actually I've read some review about those books and most of the people said that they are outdated and his conservative advice is not that useful in these day's aggressive play. And since they are about a thousand pages, I am hesitate to read them. So if you think it's worth reading or you know any other books with my desired feature, please just let me know.
Thanks in advance.
Not a book but have you considered taking out a subscription to PokerSnowie? It will give you all the ranges and advice you are looking for and it isn't based on opponent's stats.
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02-07-2016 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gh43m
Dear friends,
Thanks for your advice.
actually, I think you kinda misunderstood me.
I mean with "any book without statistics" any book without that kind of stats provided with for example holdem manager such as "fold Vs 3bet" or "CB percentage" or...not the math.
When I read a book, I see that most part of the book talks about your opponent. For example, I see that it says :
"suppose you are on the Button, someone raises from OTG, if he is nit, and you have for example QQ, you need to fold, because...". The reason why it suggests this kind of play is based on stats which shows that he is nit and his range is narrow. Or it says "if that player is Loose, you can 3-bet him, cuz his range is wide."
so, when you study that book, in most of the book you see that it suggests if your opponent is tight, you do so, if he is loose, you do so, if he is weak-tight, you do so, if his "foldVs3-bet" is so, you do so and...
At the end of the book, you realize that you haven't learnt anything but watching their stats and play accordingly.
I NEED TO FIND SOME GOOD BOOKS JUST WITH THE INFORMATION YOU CAN GET RIGHT ON THE TABLE, NOT IN THE SOFTWARE.
Thanks again for your good advice.
Phil Gordon's Little Gold Book is surprisingly good in the way you seem to be seeking.

There is a lot of modern concepts and ways of thinking about hands, with plenty of math to justify actions etc... but no *reliance* on HUD statistics. Sure there is a section discussing them later in the book, but from the rest of it you can gain plenty of knowledge that is immediately useful.

I would also recommend checking out ThePokerAcademy dot com -- it is a unique and very affordable complete NLHE training course; while it is focused on MTTs it has early sessions teaching foundational knowledge that is applicable to cash games too. And no reliance on HUD stats at all.
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02-08-2016 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Harrington on Online Cash Games; 6-Max No-Limit Hold 'em was published in June 2010.
...and is therefore at least four years out of date? Not sure what the point you're trying to make here is.
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02-08-2016 , 12:54 PM
I liked playing the player by ed Miller. Not based on statistics at all, but rather just player type.
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