My copy arrived today. I'm not going to do full-on reviews of any more poker books since I do have some interest in them, and I haven't read it yet anyway.

Two things jumped out at me right away, just observations for people who care about this sort of thing...

The first is that the book is pretty fat. Here it is next to a copy of HEFAP for a sense of scale:



Second, the interior layout of it is easily the nicest I've seen in the inside of a poker book, kudos to whoever did that. It has a very clean/modern look (I assume Jeff won't mind a photo). Very neat and easy on the eyes.



I'll leave the strat content to everyone else. Also Deac, maybe we could close this thread down in favor of an actual review thread once people start getting copies.

I have the book and i have just finished reading it. Its a great read and i could not put the book down. This is a small review. After i study more and read the book a couple more times i will give a more in depth review.


First off the cover is beautiful. The typeset and layout inside the book is also very nice. Like Gonso said very easy to read and almost every hand example has the full face pictured cards as you see in the picture Gonzo put on here. Outstanding work. The book is Huge it is 544 pages so it has plenty of information inside.

There are a lot of concepts in the book that i have never seen before in print for PLO. Such as SPR, floating,3 betting, small ball and a few more. The concepts are explained in a well thought out matter and are very easy to understand. After each concept explained the author has listed a good amount of hand examples which are related to the concept just explained. Although the hand examples do not question what you would do in the hand it rather explains the authors thought process thru-out the hand.

Regarding the hand examples,alot of them teach me something new and for the others they are just a confirmation of what i know and I nod my head in agreement with the author's thought process.

The largest section of book is the shorthanded play section. There are a few pages of concepts of shorthanded play 6 max and the meat of it is the 128 hand examples of shorthanded play 6 max. It astonishing on the amount of hand examples are in this section Kudos for the author and addressing Shorthanded 6 max play.

The author also teaches some bankroll management and managing our self. Examples are the Bankroll schedule, moving up to fast,slowing down, growing at your own pace, the biggest bankroll killer:the heater. , staying in school, and poker as a career.

All in all i give the book a 9.5 out of 10. The book is very well written, there are tons of hand examples and this is a complete Advanced PLO book, It seems to cover Advanced PLO from A to Z . Trust me This is a must get for every serious PLO player.

Mods please transfer my review to the new thread if you decide we need a review thread for this book. Thank you.

What would you say would have made the book a 10/10? Or is no book a 10 and that's why you gave it a 9.5?

I would have liked a little of the workbook material in here but the book was already to swollen at 540 + pages. So its not really there fault. I guess will have to wait for volume2 for the workbook.

Ok i tried to use some of the concepts i read in the book last night and today. I first started at .05/.10 6max on pokerstars. I did not have a chance to really do floating or 3 betting at this level. Although i only played about 700 hands at this level. that's 4 tabling for about 3 hours.

In order to float or 3 bet your going to need a table full of weak tight players. Most players here were loose passive, tight aggressive and loose aggressive.

For example I'm on button with a mediocre hand. UTG1 would fold, UTG2 would Fold, the cutoff would raise 3 big blinds, and i would 3 bet to isolate the cutoff, the small blind called the big blind called. Now im stuck in a pot with a mediocre hand with 4 players to see the flop. Not the best situation.


Another example UTG1 raises, UTG2 folds, Cutoff calls, i 3bet from the button with a mediocre hand to isolate, small button calls my 3bet, the BB folds and UTG1 re raises the pot, cutoff calls now what for me i have to fold and lose my 3bet. But keep in mind this is only for .05/.10 and below and maybe some .15/.25

So floating and 3 betting is not just going to work very well at the lower end of the micro levels there are just to many calling stations and looses players. Although you maybe get lucky and find one were you can apply these concepts.

Although i did lose some money with my failed 3 betting and floates i did end up winning overall with 2 buy ins for profit. The concepts in the book that helped me get some of that profit are, Following through:the betting machine, value betting, SPR, Check calling and small ball (minus the floating and 3 betting) and a few more.

I was really anxious to get this 3 betting and floating working so i moved over to full tilt and went up a few stakes to .25/.50 now this is were the 3 betting and floating started to work. I 4 tabled for about 5 hours at this level.
Try to find the deepstack tables that way your not playing against a bunch of shortstacks.

This is were i could totally use all the concepts found in the book. Now don't get me wrong there are some very strong players here but your not going to see as much multiway pots here so you can float much more. And your 3 bets have more value to them if you apply them right. Just make sure your floating on weaker players.

All in all i ended up winning close to 3 buy ins at this level. Maybe some of it was lucky but i know i did gain some profits from some of the moves i learned from the book.

Although this book is not for a beginner PLO player its more for that intermediate player who is looking to take his game to a Advanced level.

For myself i have been playing PLO for a good 2 to 3 years and i have not progressed the way i wanted to (still stuck in the micros). Hopefully by studying and applying the concepts in this book ill be ready to take that next big step up.

Ok i tried to use some of the concepts i read in the book last night and today. I first started at .05/.10 6max on pokerstars. I did not have a chance to really do floating or 3 betting at this level. Although i only played about 700 hands at this level. that's 4 tabling for about 3 hours.

In order to float or 3 bet your going to need a table full of weak tight players. Most players here were loose passive, tight aggressive and loose aggressive.
For example i would be on the button with a mediocre hand and UTG1 would fold. UTG2 would Fold the cutoff would raise 3 big blinds and i would 3 bet to isolate the small blind called the big blind called. Now im stuck in a pot with a mediocre hand with 4 players to see the flop. Not the best situation.

Another example UTG1 raises, UTG2 folds, Cutoff calls, i 3bet from the button with a mediocre hand to isolate, small button calls my 3bet, the BB folds and UTG1 re raises the pot, cutoff calls now what for me i have to fold and lose my 3bet. But keep in mind this is only for .05/.10 and below and maybe some .15/.25

Although i did lose some money with my failed 3 betting and floates i did end up winning overall with 2 buy ins for profit. The concepts in the book that helped me get some of that profit are Following through:the betting machine, value betting, SPR, Check calling and small ball (minus the floating and 3 betting).

I was really anxious to get this 3 betting and floating working so i moved over to full tilt and went up a few stakes to .25/.50 now this is were the 3 betting and floating started to work. I 4 tabled for about 5 hours at this level.
Try to find the deepstack tables that way your not playing against a bunch of shortstacks.

This is were i could totally use all the concepts found in the book. Now don't get me wrong there are some very strong players here but your not going to see as much multiway pots here so you can float much more. And your 3 bets have more value to them if you apply them right. Just make sure your floating on weaker players.

All in all i ended up winning close to 3 buy ins at this level. Maybe some of it was lucky but i know i did gain some profits from some of the moves i learned from the book.

Although this book is not for a beginner PLO player its more for that intermediate player who is looking to take his game to a Advanced level.

For myself i have been playing PLO for a good 2 to 3 years and i have not progressed the way i wanted to (still stuck in the micros). Hopefully by studying and applying the concepts in this book ill be ready to take that next big step up.

thx for your lines... will buy it now

quadaces, thanks for your reviews and your candor on your PLO career... i've done well at micro ($10) and then been absolutely destroyed at $50. barely words to describe how badly i've done.

a couple of basic observations,

i've done ok playing very TAG. very tight and quite aggressive.

some intelligent LAG's seem to just kill the game, but i haven't been able to come close to replicate it.

hence, the need for jeff and rolf's books..... i am somewhat concerned about the amount of rake paid. as players get better, not sure how much potential they'll be after the rake.

There are still some bad players. Table selection is very important.

IF your a TAG you might find it better to select tables that have the highest player per flop % with a lower $ per pot average. This usually indicates loose passive play. Your normally going to get paid off by weak players who cant lay down under sets, two pair ,sucker straights and lower flushes. Just bet for value they will call. No slow play. This is the type of table im looking for first.

Tables that have a higher player per flop% and higher$ per pot average are going to have lots of loose players, some LAG and some Loose Passive. You need good experience if you want to play in these. Your going to see lots of raising and re raising preflop and sometimes you will get caught up and start playing to loose. If you play a shorter stack such as a 50 BB stack then you can get away here by playing good hands as you will have a low SPR and will be getting the best of it in multiway pots. The danger is if you have a deep stack then your going to want to limp with good hands more while throwing away marginal hands. Reason why you limp is for pot control. You know most the time someone is going to raise so we let them do the pre flop raising for us. Its very hard to 3 bet and isolate on this type of table full of LAG and calling stations.

Now you got the tighter tables. Lower player per flop% and Lower $ per pot average. This is were the floating and 3 betteing is going to work more often.

Gonso and quadaces, thanks for the pics, and the review.

I've been dabbling in nano-stakes PLO and already had this on my 'to read' list but this has really wet my appetite. Looking forward to getting my hands on this.

Thanks again.

I just studied 3 more concepts Positional advantage:Ambiguous Bet ,Playing the nut Flush Draw and SPR. I never thought of it this way in PLO. Really good stuff there.

Amazon was sold out of this yesterday. I will go by my local store to see if I can get a copy. Hopefully it's in stock.

if I am a omaha noob should i get this one or hwang's other omaha book?

The other one first then this one.

I just finished his first book and l thought it was very good. I have started to play PLO8 at micro stakes the last two months and love it. His section in the back of the first book was short but sweet. Is there any advanced info on PLO8 in his latest book?