are you sure?

have you checked your stats? It can be easy to think you haven't changed anything when in fact you have. Especially if you aren't used to play this many hands.

hm you probably have downloaded the wrong version.
I did dl this http://www.pokertracker.com/products...ll-v3.13.0.exe

and then yes in the pokerstars tab you have to enable zoom hud. Make sure you have 3.13 BETA

I think I have about the hang of it, but the coolers are blinding me.

What do you folks reckon to raise SB vs BB or BTN (when its folded to you) 100% of the time? This seems to be having an unfeasible amount of success for me.

Bigups

Just played some zoom nl 0.01 / 0.02.
I see myself as a pretty experienced rush poker player and was crushing nl 0.25 at the end and winning on nl2 in the end. i still have $1000 dying on full tilt.
Its lots of good players even on nl 00.2, its like nl 0.25 on full tilt just with some crazy donks. Not a place for amateurs, lots of good players. But for an experienced rush poker player like me i think i can beat the game just because im fammilliar with rush poker

but how will you play? what tactics? full stack or short stack? vpip/pfr by position? fr or 6 max?

Why do you think there's some secret technique to beating a game where you play more hands per hour?

I haven't checked this myself, I presume they aren't but whats the deal with HEM and Huds etc? My hands are important and I cant be bothered to try find them until I know HEM has sorted it. Guess I got to get an update.

Im up about 6-7 BIs at 10NL in the last two hours. Id say just nit it up and dont get out of line or try bluff unless the board runs out good for it vs someone who you think might be able to play, without reads and stats you wont know though.

Suited Aces are doing unbelievable damage to me. Just won two $25 pots with them vs players who couldn't fold their K and J high flushes.

I coolered someone with AA v AA when I hit a flush, lost KK to AA. Thats the only bad one for me so far. Im not comfortable getting it in pre with AK/QQ tbh, im generally flatting pre to 3bets, unless its from the btn and im OOP. Anywhere else its a flat for me if they are fully stacked.

I would just play like your usual game, everything from normal cash games apllies in zoom too. But yes i did run quite nitty like 19/17 so far. I think it will be natural that your stats will be a bit tighter due to the nature of the game and not having the godseat on the tables all the time but of course i did also miss lots of spots i think. Solid poker will do the job. Lots of people dont know how to play 200BB+ poker and you will see a lot more deep play. Lots of people who cant let go of their overpair etc. So doing some work on deepstack play cant hurt since you will be in these situations more often.

Some quick tips would be to:
-color-code the players, worth so much money. Especially the nits and the "spots" who limp in, so you dont quick fold too fast and you can see the spots to steal wide quickly and have a quick overview over the table what to open etc.
-try to iso the bad players no matter what, iso-3bet whatever etc
-review each session and make Notes, its hard to do them ingame, for me at least. But you can still filter each session in HEM for showdown hands and make your notes.

until HEM is working, HEM users will be at a strict disadvantage. im not colour coding, peoples stats will tell me what I need to know and they will update quicker and are automated

Im sure Ive just run bad and am not used to the speed of the games and the hand ranges people play.

lol yea every player without HUD will be at a disadvantage of course, poor HEM guys.. an im one of these too I need my Hem popups. But its also ez money without a Hud tbh will take foreever to get decent samples anyways

because people actually play different.

A very big part of the players will just play premium hands. and really quickfold hands like AJ, KJ, KQ.
This will work out as long as there is still a big part of the playerspool ignorant to this, and it´s quite do-able to just play premiums, especially multitabling, because of the speed of the game..

Those ¨ignorant¨ people on the other side, don´t seem to notice this fact, also because of the speed of the game.

Also you don´t have to work at your table image and hardly see any action from your opponents if not in the hand anymore.

@chad0x00 these games are no different than your normal ring game ,card distribution will be be the same ,just play your normal game. Remember you are probably fast folding a lot of hands making it seem that you are getting 3bet or coolered more than normal.

With that said I was skeptical about playing Zoom myself but there are so many benefits I can't see me turning back now.

-easy to join in
-bigger stacks overall (please PS don't change this)
-always paying attention to one table ( I always stacked tables approx. 6 sometimes forget if I flatted, raised ...) more focused on current action
-no table select needed
-quick 20min sessions or so without waiting to join or sign out
-same amount of hands/hr as stacking 6 tables

I know that that are cons too , but for me the pros just outweigh the cons

I use be a rush reg so im glad zoom is here. Not going to grind to much until hm2 is updated.

Chad when you play do you rely heavily on HUD statistics? If so, it's hard in zoom/rush to get alot of hands on the same person so you're kinda put in alot of "I just don't know?" situations; Verneer talked about this in his thread. I've never played rush/zoom so I don't know really but it seems like throughout the making of this thread you've been struggling and may this be the reason?

no mate, im not mainly stats based, just for zoom it would be a big advantage to have any info on your opponents! My main problem is sample size. Too small at the moment so it seems like getting all in pre with AA/AK is wrong but I think its actually OK. Thats part of it. Zumby asks why I think there is some mystical play method required, it's because it *is* a different form of poker, people play differently. A lot more folds with KXs type hands, 2 gappers, connecters (not suited) etc. where some would have been played in the past out of broedom by our fishy friends which they are now just fast folding...

I've noticed sooo many donk bets on Kxx type flops so far, and I think its close to 100% have folded when raised.

noted.

Has anyone noticed any other trends?

Verneers rush thread is proving very useful.

Finally this is available to me as well. Tried some 2nl, up 4BI in the first 15 minutes, then breakeven the next 30 minutes. PT3 doesn't register the hands and I can't get a HUD. Didn't someone say PT HUD should work?

Will read Verneers thread and then perhaps play some higher stakes.

I agree with this ^. The simple fact that people can see so many hands, so quickly, kinda promotes tighter play even from loose spewy types. I do also believe on the other hand it promotes even more robotic play so if you could figure out how to exploit the robotic nittyness I think you could truly own uNL Zoom.

well that was a complete **** of a session. Played for ten minutes, got stacked 5 times in 5 minutes. stopped playing.

KK < AA, KK < AA, KK< AK, AK < TT and AK < AA

I am suddenly very far from being comfortable pushing anything but AA pre flop.

Do *nothing* wrong, lose 5 buyins in 5 minutes? I love poker so much.

Even if the fish are tightening up a bit it won't significantly change the distribution of flop hand strength.



Basically, once a cold-calling range becomes wider than just setmining + AK/AQ, the proportion of various hand types stay fairly static. The exception is the ratio of weak pairs and complete misses, which diverge slowly and steadily as we rise to 100% cold-call*. Part of being a fish is having a wide preflop range, for sure, but a lot of it is how often they call down with bottom pair or ace high, and proportionately they will flop these hands a similar frequency unless they have massively tightened up.

As far as how to adjust to games you perceive to be tight
- If you think preflop ranges are tight then steal a lot
- If you think postflop ranges are tight then don't bet for thin value
- When facing aggression don't slowplay and don't make thin calls

*Disclaimer: Some of the 'Weak Pair' will be pair+draw and some of the "No Made Hand' will be non-pair draws, which should balance out (I think) but something to be aware of.

Bad beats, don't push AK.

AK can lose you a lot of money.

and won it all back again. i dont know if my old heart can take the swings. :/

Is it Ok to push more than just AA pre in Zoom? I have seen other hands than AA go all in pre flop, but AA is the overwhelmingly most likely hand to face an all in with and Im just wondering if its so overwhelming that I should not push anything except AA?

Im also struggling a LOT tonight vs aggressive 3bett0rs. I have raised a mid or small PP in mid a LOAD of times only to see a LP 3bet followed by a fold from me. Is there anything I can do abotu this? or just keep meekly laying down?

stealing 100% of the time from SB and BTN is 100% correct I am almost certain.

Sitting in half stacked is a lot better for my constitution. Im off to read more verneer goodness.

If i open and guys just open shove il just lay down KK , remember from rush days that its almost always AA . Any news from HEM team about zoom Hud for HM1 ?