It's BUvCO dude, just run the equity vs 25-30% UO range, you'd have to realize the equity of KQo very bad to ever think of folding. You have position and all and actually dominate more Kx and QX than he dominates you.

I usually 3-bet or fold KQo to a 3x, but even if villain calls pre every time with KQo and KTs+, that's still only 6 combos of worse trips on the river. If he flats KQo/KTs+, he probably flats 22 too so he's got at least 6 boats. I think villain would have to be flatting KJo and never 3-betting KQs/KJs to make this a decent v-bet.

Let's just say that KTo is closer to a call pre than 22. tbh I think a good reg here doesn't have 55 either but does have KJo and might sometimes call 88-JJ (TT-JJ depending on pf 3b range).

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And also, you don't need over 50% equity to vbet river OOP.

Fish is balancing his cold calling 3 bet range.

thanks everyone. looks like Im progresing))
i ended up foding, but earlier i would call it for sure

Hi guys!

I played this zoom hand earlier and I don't really know how to analyze it. Villain is 27/23 over 90 hands but even if his stats indicate that he is aggro I can't really come up with a range that make sense considering his play. Have you any thoughts?

He has a set. There are no other hands he'd overlimp rather than iso apart from low pairs really.

I agree. Definitely not calling that turn bet in position which is basically a pot size bet screaming that villain has at least a set.

Would villain really donk the flop with TT and continue on the turn for almost pot size bet? Probably not because your range isn't capped.

Yeah that's what I thought too, wanted to be sure that I wasn't missing something. Thanks for the input.

An aggro 27/23 who open limps utg has AA or KK.

Limp-calls AA/KK in a multiway pot OOP? sounds like they know how to print money

I realize they usually back raise, but not always. If a villain with stats like that, limps, it's usually a trap. His post flop betting also backs that up. Surely 22,33 and 99, for sets, are in a his PFR 23% range.

easy call?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $10.00
SB: $16.39
BB: $14.87
Hero (UTG): $10.00
MP: $20.40
CO: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with J A
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) K J J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.36, BTN raises to $9.70 all in, Hero ??

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Yes. You're literally only beat by KJ.

which is probably what villain has

So lets 3b/fold AJ?

i guess you have to call for 100bb but they usually have the nuts, although spazzing like that doesn't make sense on flop

holy **** this thread still exists. Was GOAT thread at one point.

anybody still speak to chad? hows he getting on?

how do you beat that game if you can fold this hand? its a damn 3rd nut hand with a king on the flop , there has to be something worse on villain's range. A random jx hand can pay you , a top pair can pay you , slowplayed AA can pay you.

zoom has become quite an annoyance these days , yes donks exist but they are rare and sometimes its hard to get money from them because they usually take very aggressive lines , i tend to find donks when i tilt and overplay a hand.

This has caused me another problem , i hardly ever make hero folds , its so rare to stack off someone , it sucks a ton to fold on a medium-big sized pot , all these lost big pots murder my winrate , pf i dont know what to do.

a zoom donk is created through these steps 1) he no longer have to be patient and can fold a ton until he has something 2) he no longer has to call a ton postflop , he can wait for a nut hand 3) realize it cant get paid and gets bored and impatient 4) end up bluffing on a big pot or get stacked with a bad hand.

This is the secret of these donks , they always appear with tight stats and make it very hard to detect their tilt , yesterday i stacked preflop a 12/8 guy and he had A5o. They almost always lose their focus postflop (never preflop) and its insanely hard to tell when they do or not , their tilt takes a very aggresive form and usually appears on big pots , they dont missplay much on smaller pots because they dont care so much.

They dont make *call* mistakes much , to beat them inducing is better than vbetting because inducing give them a rope to get paid , they are disciplined enough to give up if they have nothing , if they start bluffing they may never stop.

These are quite different donks than the donks you find on reg tables , reg tables donks tend to make far more preflop mistakes but also make far more loose calls postflop , reg table donks have different psychology , they are like *lets just play everything i got tired of waiting a good hand* BUT since they play everything they dont get through the step where they are desperate to get paid which means their tendecies are far more passive with mediocre hands and call down , their calling ranges are very weak which makes vbetting a stronger tool. This is not the case in zoom , a donk on zoom can never have a terrible calling range because they are always tight , its very rare to find a reg donk on a zoom table.

The problem? reg table donks are very easily detectable through their vpip alone , its IMPOSSIBLE to detect zoom donks due to the crazy player pool and their tight stats , all their mistakes are postflop ones , which means when you face one you may end up folding *because its 2nl and these guys always have it* its not like zoom is not soft , you just dont know when it is or not therefore you cant exploit the psychology of these players.

Simply put reg tables>>>>zoom tables because of the difference in psychology.

Its certainly a different game. Its sort of fun to play in a frustrating type of way, good to work on your game fundamentals but pretty bad for making money, unless you have the right game and psychology for the format which most don't. I agree with what you say about the donks. In the 5nl pool there are quite a few with crazy vpip like 32/26 but whenever we get to show down they still always have at least tptk, you are never getting called down with complete crap as on reg tables, Even the donks are aggressive who just barrel if you show weakness, its a tough game.

The best way to get them is in 3 bet pots. I noticed lately their calling range is extremely wide, and if they get any piece of the board they cant fold, and will lose their stack. Their ranges are much stronger in 2bet pots often.

Zoom is probably best just for rake back grinding 100nl+ imo.

still trying to beat nl5 mirage?

Beating it at 4bb last 60k hands. More than I could say about you probably. Cheers.