I've been using the 'fold and watch' button as much as possible recently and the junk that fish shove their SS with is incredible. This pool is really soft and although it may be marginal and JJ (which is the bottom of my PF shoving range vs SS), I think I'm ahead of his shoving range which I think is something like 77+, AJs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KJo+, QJo.

cant fold in hand 1. 100bbs deep, sure. not for 40bbs

I've tried several times at cash games but much prefer SNAP (fast in general). Just enjoy it more. There are loads and loads of fish on SNAP. Tables are anonymous too (well no HUDs but PT4 collects all the hands).I keep undated notes of the main stats on all players in the pool at 50/100/150/200 hands adding more stats as they become relevant.

If villain raised you 3b I'd advocate getting it in here and it wouldn't even be close. How the hand plays out is a massive tell and he has AA here basically 100% of the time.

Also daak is 100% right about fast tables being a terrible idea. Do what you want obviously but the most +EV thing to be doing is to be playing regular tables.

Yeah the 888 snap tables are still very fishy, if he is playing 2nl its good because the 2nl snap lets you play 100bb while the reg tables are 50 bb. At 5nl the snap is also very fishy, once you get up in the limits though I'm sure the reg tables are way better.

haha...very funny....

I love playing SNAP/ZOOM and don't like playing CASH TABLES. it's as simple as that....

btw...here's that JJ hand recorded from live stream..

jump to 1:02:02......

http://www.twitch.tv/tsukaimelol/b/623849645

For 2nl specifically I think snap is better because its 100bb vs 50bb for reg tables

Lol at this....3k hands are nothing,if you are good enough maybe can get close to 15bb/100 hands on a sample that really matters

I was hoping to have about 20bb/100. Bear in mind I'm only talking about 10k hands when I'm already nearly 1 3rd of the way there on double that. Obviously over the long term something a little more than 10bb/100 sounds more accurate.

I don't normally grind 2nl, just playing it to see what sort of winrate I get.

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look at your heater in first 10k hands and then 40k of brakeven play,thats zoom

888 Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.54
SB: $1.35
BB: $0.80
UTG: $0.80
Hero (MP): $2.33
CO: $2.03

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K J

fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, fold, SB calls $0.05, fold

Flop: ($0.14, 2 players) 7 J K
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.34, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets $0.28, SB calls $0.28

River: ($0.90, 2 players) 9
SB bets $0.91, fold

Thought I was on a nice easy ride to Value Town in this hand until the 9s shows up OTR which completes all the draws and Villain donks a pot sized bet. Easy fold right?

Tempted to stubbornly call as you block a few flushes and he can't really have sets other than 77, plus the flush is backdoor, but the all in donk bet from fish on 2nl 888 is the nuts every single time.

Was probably a good fold, I don't see us being ahead the 33% of the time that we need to be. Though definitely an exploitative fold.

He just has QT/flush like always here

Fish might do the same with K9/J9 perhaps, we are talking about a 65BB stack at 2nl after all.

He reps so thin but probably still turns up with it too much. Still kinda want to click call but it's probably a leak.

Why would a fish randomly decide to bet a hand like that when a flush gets there. Makes no sense.

Dont see any reason to lose 1.36$ only to see if he bluffs you.And fish got flush like 1000% of the time

If a fish is going to bluff it's usually OTR, also you can get fish that just are playing random stuff on their phone etc...they don't care its only like a few pennies..

Add the word "yes" to the above, and get it tattooed on the back of your hand. Pot-sized donks on the river are nearly always the nuts. On a board like that one, top two is garbage. Even if villain is overplaying a set, he still beats you.

A fish may bluff the river I'm just saying they wouldn't bet K9 or whatever on the river.

You're never good > 33% here though so it's a really easy fold.

There are 4,026 players that I have played vs over 24,190 hands that I classify as unknowns, less than 50 hands on them. Their average VPIP/PFR is 30/13.

(There are 80 knowns (more than 50 hands) that I have played vs over 13,246 hands. their average VPIP is 18/13.)

So, I'm generally classifying an unknown as a loose passive fish.

I'm stuck between 2 trains of thought in this hand.

1) With TPGK I should be value betting as generally getting calls from worse until I get raised by better hands.

2) I only have TPGK OTT so I should be exercising some pot control.



888 Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.01
SB: $0.55
Hero (BB): $2.08
UTG: $1.19
MP: $0.32
CO: $2.50

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.06, fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18, 3 players) Q 2 8
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15, fold

Turn: ($0.48, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $0.36, CO calls $0.36

River: ($1.20, 2 players) T
Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60

Dat bet sizing on the river to signal that you're weak.

Think river is a check really, I only see QJ that is worse that will call, and if he's calling that he'll also call AQ and QT as well (and maybe he will hero fold QJ anyway but he's never going to fold QT, probably not AQ either).

Anyway if your read on unknowns is they have a 13% PFR, and this guy raised pre, he's probably pretty strong here.

Yep, I concur. Only really getting called by QJ va a pretty strong range OTR.

The bet sizing OTR is weak...either rep a stronger hand or c/f...

Is ftp softer than stars? The only advantage I see is FTP pool is smaller, therefore stats converge faster and I'm able to make better decisions.

I would say full tilt is softer then stars. Mind you, I think every site is softer than stars.