On the K52 flop, just call the flop donkbet and station him. On some runouts (including this one) you can often fold the river, and lose the minimum. By raising, you end up playing a huge pot with one pair. This is not good, particularly on Zoom, where villain is hardly ever stacking off a worse hand.
Raising the flop is kind of bad, but shoving the turn after villain 3-bet the flop is just terrible. Don't fear the flush draw so much. Let villain barrel off when he's drawing, but don't bloat the pot when it's just as likely he actually has you beat.

Thank you!

This is my biggest leak,playing TPTK or overpairs strong,and level myself into thinking that my hand is good and fearing them flush draws,which is burning money,I would never consider stationing it before,but that's why i loose so much money on similiar hands.

Thank you for taking the time to review it.

I have to analyze the hands more myself after each session and ultilize stove before i post if i want to get out of the micros,but my poker journey just started,so gotta fix alot of leaks before even thinking about moving higher.

Thank you again,cheers

Jam or call here???

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2550060
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $10.70
SB: $7.69
Hero (BB): $8.90
UTG: $6.19
MP: $14.86
CO: $5.01

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 4d Ad
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.36) 9d 3d 3h (3 players)
SB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB folds

Turn: ($0.71) Qh (2 players)
Hero bets $0.39, BTN calls $0.39

River: ($1.49) 7d (2 players)
Hero bets $0.97, BTN raises to $2.65, Hero??

Raise flop bigger, bigger OTT, now jam against fish and bad regs, call against the okay ones.

Hello,

If someone could take a sec,i would like some advice on this hand,is the 3bet too big or is the sizing fine,maybe bet even more after he checks back on the flop/check back?I have no reads on the opponent unfortunately,it really feels like a bad laydown after i reviewed it,dont think he would cold call the utg raise with aces there?So i pretty much have everything except 10's beat here(maybe a suited broadway in this spot?).I am really feeling i should have called despite having no reads,but would appreciate some feedback.(Was this a terrible laydown?)

Thank you in advance!



PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105 BB
SB: 114.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 6.90, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
UTG: 116.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 91 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (MP+2): 100 BB
CO: 102.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 9 BB

Flop: (28.5 BB, 2 players) 7 4 T
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 22 BB, MP+1 calls 22 BB

Turn: (72.5 BB, 2 players) 9
MP+1 bets 66 BB and is all-in, fold

MP+1 wins 70 BB

3-bet squeeze size is OK, but you can make it 15bb against droolers. Pretty strange to see MP call OOP. (Flatting twice shows some weakness. He usually has a medium pair).
At 2NL, there's no need to get fancy post flop with a big overpair in a 3-bet pot. You can comfortably commit with KK on T74. I'd usually bet a little smaller on the flop (closer to half pot), but your line is fine. Turn card and action is pretty sick. TT/99 make up a fair chunk of villain's range (and I wouldn't entirely rule out T9s or 44), and many fish will donk shove here, when check-calling off with a set is clearly better. More likely, villain has jacks or queens and just wanted to see a safe card before getting it in, "to stop AK getting there".
I snap-call to be honest, but I don't expect to win all that often; just often enough to be profitable in the long run.

Guys, any tips for a b/e 5nl zoom player as to which topics he should begin studying? I always feel that there's so much I don't know that I don't even know where to start...

I know there's a lot of information (COTW's for example) out here on 2+2 but those articles are usually pretty old so I don't always know wether they're still relevant/useful.

Basically at 5nl people are brain-dead and just clicking buttons, so if you're actually THINKING you should do okay. You need to understand why you are taking a certain action, is there a better alternative? Think about why you are making a bet, what hands you're targeting, what villains range looks like. I would suggest using exploitative sizing too (bigger with value and smaller with bluffs).

Perhaps post some stats too so you can get some advice -> VP/PFR/3b/f3/4br, RFI by position, cb and foldcb stats for starters

These are all the hands at 5nl zoom I've played this year. It's low volume but you can definitely see a trend I guess. fwiw My 4bet range is 2.05%, not sure why my raise vs 3bet% is 8% tbh

I am definitely a cbetting monkey. It just feels like so many flops are good for barreling and even if villain calls, most turns seem good enough to DB. I think this is because I make wrong assumptions: I tend to think villains (esp IP) are going to float a lot. When DB'ing and even TP'ing, I can make them fold a lot of their range. However, Villains have probably a lot less floats in their flop cbet calling range in the first place, esp at zoom.

It are things like these I find hard: making proper assumptions. Making the correct play based on an assumption isn't that hard, making the correct assumption is.


EDIT: srry for all the edits, it's been a while since I last uploaded stats so I had to figure out how to do it properly. It didn't come out quite the way I wanted it to do, but it's readable I guess. If not, please say b/c then I'll look for another way

COTW posts are still largely relevant, and it's more important to understand WHY you take an action, and that rarely changes

Aside from that, Splitsuit's site still has free vids which you can watch there and on Youtube, which are current. Not really sure what else you're looking for. Fee's 6 max guide will get you past 5nlz and probably 10nlz too imo

Please confirm that stats are for 6-max. If so, they are close to what I'd describe as optimal, pre-flop at least.

15,000 hands feels like a lot when you're new, but it's actually a tiny sample size. You're probably playing better than most of the field, and your breakeven status could be due mainly to standard variance, so don't lose hope.

CotWs remain relevant. Take your time with them, and don't expect instant results.


EDIT: Post-flop, it looks like you're c-betting and barrelling a little too often, as you suspected. Since Zoom villains are often looking for reasons to fold, you should be more cautious if they call. They really aren't floating light all that often. A better tactic might be to check-call the flop with more of your mid-strength holdings. Try getting to showdown with the best hand sometimes.

It's all 6max 5nl Zoom . I know sample size is small, as I said in that post. But I just don't have more hands. Well, actually I do, but those hands are from the begin of 2013 and are not relevant anymore imo b/c I was way noobier back then than I am now.

If you guys say that the cotw's are still relevant, I'll start studying them.

If I'm barreling too often, then I have more crap than average in my range when I go to showdown right? This would mean my W$SD% would be on the low side (it's 49,0). Also, if I'm barreling a bit too often, wouldn't that mean that my W$WSF be somewhat higher than the usual (it's 47,3)? I know that there are more things that need to be factored in when calculating one's W$SD% and W$WSF but it would make a bit of sense, right?

Regarding the bolded part: if villains aren't going to float light, wouldn't it be a good idea to cbet flop a lot and to give up on a lot of turns? They aren't going to float light => they're probably folding the flop a lot (this also depends on their VPIP ofc) => cbetting a lot means $$$.

Regarding the part in green: Why is this a better tactic? Is the 5nl Zoom population betting alot of their range vs missed cbets, making it profitable to x/c some medium-strength hands in our range?

I think the point is it's more profitable than value betting when you don't get called by worse.

No info on villain.

Run my call through equilab, do you guys think I put him in a range that is too wide?

preflop stats look solid, looks like you could be a bit stationy, your fold to 3bet is only 54percent, i know this includes fish who click it back but still, people are not 3betting much at 5z so seems like you should fold to more 3bets and also your fold to cbet seems a tad high for the same reasons, peoples opening ranges are a lot tighter.. and as said previously try barreling turn less, just stick to A turns and picked up fd's etc. Your won dollars at show down is low and your wtsd is fairly low too so could just be you running bad also

How easy of a fold is this turn? ( I was praying for KK)

Yes, this all makes perfect sense. Pre-flop is great, as I said. You're just a little bit too aggro post-flop for my liking. I think you'd find an improvement in results in the long run if you cut back your c-bet rate when OOP. Barrelling is fine when in position, as a nit that went set-mining in the blinds will fold to a second barrel if he didn't hit his set, and you won't pay off the weak players that check-call with draws OOP and then donk-shove when they hit.
I think both this last paragraph ^^^ and this answer below are correct.
Quick example hand:
You raise AT in CO, get flatted by a 20/16 villain with 66 (or 98s) on the button.

Flop comes A73r. If you bet your top pair, reasonable kicker, villain folds. You win no money post-flop. He'll only stick around for multiple streets if he can beat TPGK.

If you check, villain will bet very often, because he thinks you are check-folding Broadways that missed, and he just wants to win the pot now.
You call the bet.
Villain is now done with the hand, because he realises you probably have an ace, but at least a pair of sevens, if not a set.
You won't win a big pot with your one pair, but you did at least get villain to put money in the pot on the flop with the worst hand; money he'd never have put in if you'd given him the opportunity to fold.

I doubt it changes the equities much, but I'd take out the JT combos, as I rarely see players raising the turn with no pair non-nut draws. Your call is standard, I think. Without binking the set, it's a clear fold.

Your stats look better than I expected tbh. As mentioned, 15k hands is absolutely nothing so you could have been running bad with coolers/setups etc. Your foldcb is perhaps a little low for 5nl where (I imagine, anyway) people play quite tight/ fit/fold. You're potentially floating too wide and/or stationing too much. Your 4br is quite low too (but might be ok for 5nl) given the lack of light 3/4/5 betting.

Open small and wide OTB if you aren't already. Add BB fold to SB steal to your HUD and open 100% for 2.5x vs anyone folding >65%. Be wary if they continue though. Look to make exploitative plays vs weaker players (ie folding in spots where they never bluff etc)

Hey, I would appreciate some comments on my stats. This is mostly 25NL ZOOM and like 4k 10NL ZOOM and 3k 50NL ZOOM



Thx

It's funny because in your example I immediately recognise my flaws. When I read your example, I was thinking right away: "if I were BTN with 66 in that exact same situation, I would def call flop and prob would call relatively safe turns too (something like a 2 or w/e). I know that all my assumptions of other peoples ranges come from the way I would play my range in that same situation, and I'm starting to see that this is actually wrong more often than not. But what you're saying makes sense. Another thing I need to get out of my head is that I can win every pot. It's just not true, but I do tend to think I can barrel villain off a big part of his range.

Damnit, if I wasn't that stubborn I wouldn't have been stuck at this stake for so long. For some reason I never wanted to accept the fact that zoom uNL players (esp the lowest stakes, 2nl and 5nl) were usually tight nits. I always felt as if people were just playing back at me all the time...





yeah your posts confirm that I am too stationy/float too much. Ishter, my BTN rfi (= Button UO PFR) is 51,7%, I guess this is about right? SB rfi = 38,7%, I'm always a bit worried of playing OOP with crap hands so I'm a little tight here I guess? Also, why are you advising to open small? I thought at micros that people were going to call small bets more (=with a wider range) than they would do with bigger bets. At least, that's what I do

Papillon, the low fold to 3bet% is just me thinking people are playing back at me and me trying to 'own' villains postflop, though they probably have AQ+, QQ+ so it's not going to work hehe. Will put some work into 3betting ranges of villains and how to react to them.


Thanks for all the advice guys, should give me a push into the right direction. I do have one question left though... How do you know if a stat is way too high/way too low? Some of the things mentioned regarding my stats I hadn't noticed myself (I analysed it a bit before posting them). Do you compare it with your own stats? Or do you just know what stats are preferable for this limit?

I have a link to an article that shows the preferable ranges for a couple of stats but those are for higher limits and thus probably not applicable for uNL... So I'm assuming all of you compare your own stats to my stats and give advise upon that? I'm asking this because if I want to evaluate in a couple of months, I don't really know how to do it myself. I can ask you guys for help again, but it would be good for me if I could look into it first and be able to tell which parts really need work (not talking about fine-tuning my game, really talking about the sharp edges of my game).

BTW, for anybody who's interested: here's the article I mentioned: http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/330/__rate

("The following shows average bb/100 for players using a datamined database of NL 6 Max from NL100 to NL1000 over the last 6 months – I took results from the 1790 players with at least 5K hands in the database. For each stat I have grouped results into 5 equal ranges and then taken the median bb/100. Often it is more meaningful to look at combinations of stats but this should give you a general guide." )


EDIT: Ugh, nvm about that article. Just saw that it was posted in June 2008, thus making it very dated.

^searching the internet and studying is your answer. There's loads of training sites out there and many have articles, vids etc on this. Look for stuff on leakfinding too

Also, just take a minute to think about it yourself. A hand hits a flop about 30% of the time for example, and so think how that effects cbetting, calling and raising ranges. Depending on these numbers for a villain, or yourself, how does this affect your turn frequencies etc etc

A programme like Flopzilla will also help you visualise this kind of stuff and you can put in loads of work there if you're serious about it

Blinds are really solid, BTN is obvious weak point and rest looks fine. Whats your BTN RFI and CC %?

Hello, thx for the responce.

I think the button play was just variance. I filtered my database, I have 125k hands of 6max 25NL zoom. VPIP 37, PFR 30.5, BB/100 26. Im not sure if this is good, but atleast my winrate on the button is better.

Raise first on the button is 52.8

My CC 2 bet PF on button is 13.7. I have no idea how good/bad this is.