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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
I think the point is it's more profitable than value betting when you don't get called by worse.
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Yes, this all makes perfect sense. Pre-flop is great, as I said. You're just a little bit too aggro post-flop for my liking. I think you'd find an improvement in results in the long run if you cut back your c-bet rate when OOP. Barrelling is fine when in position, as a nit that went set-mining in the blinds will fold to a second barrel if he didn't hit his set, and you won't pay off the weak players that check-call with draws OOP and then donk-shove when they hit.
I think both this last paragraph ^^^ and this answer below are correct.
Quick example hand:
You raise AT in CO, get flatted by a 20/16 villain with 66 (or 98s) on the button.
Flop comes A73r. If you bet your top pair, reasonable kicker, villain folds. You win no money post-flop. He'll only stick around for multiple streets if he can beat TPGK.
If you check, villain will bet very often, because he thinks you are check-folding Broadways that missed, and he just wants to win the pot now.
You call the bet.
Villain is now done with the hand, because he realises you probably have an ace, but at least a pair of sevens, if not a set.
You won't win a big pot with your one pair, but you did at least get villain to put money in the pot on the flop with the worst hand; money he'd never have put in if you'd given him the opportunity to fold.
It's funny because in your example I immediately recognise my flaws. When I read your example, I was thinking right away: "if I were BTN with 66 in that exact same situation, I would def call flop and prob would call relatively safe turns too (something like a 2 or w/e). I know that all my assumptions of other peoples ranges come from the way I would play my range in that same situation, and I'm starting to see that this is actually wrong more often than not. But what you're saying makes sense. Another thing I need to get out of my head is that I can win every pot. It's just not true, but I do tend to think I can barrel villain off a big part of his range.
Damnit, if I wasn't that stubborn I wouldn't have been stuck at this stake for so long. For some reason I never wanted to accept the fact that zoom uNL players (esp the lowest stakes, 2nl and 5nl) were usually tight nits. I always felt as if people were just playing back at me all the time...
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Originally Posted by ishter
Your stats look better than I expected tbh. As mentioned, 15k hands is absolutely nothing so you could have been running bad with coolers/setups etc. Your foldcb is perhaps a little low for 5nl where (I imagine, anyway) people play quite tight/ fit/fold. You're potentially floating too wide and/or stationing too much. Your 4br is quite low too (but might be ok for 5nl) given the lack of light 3/4/5 betting.
Open small and wide OTB if you aren't already. Add BB fold to SB steal to your HUD and open 100% for 2.5x vs anyone folding >65%. Be wary if they continue though. Look to make exploitative plays vs weaker players (ie folding in spots where they never bluff etc)
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Originally Posted by papillon_
preflop stats look solid, looks like you could be a bit stationy, your fold to 3bet is only 54percent, i know this includes fish who click it back but still, people are not 3betting much at 5z so seems like you should fold to more 3bets and also your fold to cbet seems a tad high for the same reasons, peoples opening ranges are a lot tighter.. and as said previously try barreling turn less, just stick to A turns and picked up fd's etc. Your won dollars at show down is low and your wtsd is fairly low too so could just be you running bad also
yeah your posts confirm that I am too stationy/float too much. Ishter, my BTN rfi (= Button UO PFR) is 51,7%, I guess this is about right? SB rfi = 38,7%, I'm always a bit worried of playing OOP with crap hands so I'm a little tight here I guess? Also, why are you advising to open small? I thought at micros that people were going to call small bets more (=with a wider range) than they would do with bigger bets. At least, that's what I do
Papillon, the low fold to 3bet% is just me thinking people are playing back at me and me trying to 'own' villains postflop, though they probably have AQ+, QQ+ so it's not going to work hehe. Will put some work into 3betting ranges of villains and how to react to them.
Thanks for all the advice guys, should give me a push into the right direction. I do have one question left though... How do you know if a stat is way too high/way too low? Some of the things mentioned regarding my stats I hadn't noticed myself (I analysed it a bit before posting them). Do you compare it with your own stats? Or do you just know what stats are preferable for this limit?
I have a link to an article that shows the preferable ranges for a couple of stats but those are for higher limits and thus probably not applicable for uNL... So I'm assuming all of you compare your own stats to my stats and give advise upon that? I'm asking this because if I want to evaluate in a couple of months, I don't really know how to do it myself. I can ask you guys for help again, but it would be good for me if I could look into it first and be able to tell which parts really need work (not talking about fine-tuning my game, really talking about the sharp edges of my game).
BTW, for anybody who's interested: here's the article I mentioned:
http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/330/__rate
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"The following shows average bb/100 for players using a datamined database of NL 6 Max from NL100 to NL1000 over the last 6 months – I took results from the 1790 players with at least 5K hands in the database. For each stat I have grouped results into 5 equal ranges and then taken the median bb/100. Often it is more meaningful to look at combinations of stats but this should give you a general guide." )
EDIT: Ugh, nvm about that article. Just saw that it was posted in June 2008, thus making it very dated.