Zoom / Rush Poker thread

[zumby]

Originally Posted by Suzukishosan

agree with bigger on the flop, not overbet shoving the turn though

I don't follow. Why raise bigger if not to set up stacks for a turn shove? Villain isn't getting odds to call with a flush draw..

[BlackStar9]

Originally Posted by GutshotDan92

Welcome to 2+2.

20BI needed at least for the next level, so 20x$5 = $100, so I would say no.

Your WR is fine, though, through a small sample. You should deposit some more tbh

hate sweeping statements like this

[raikkonen3]

Anyone else got PT3/4 HUD lag if they are using the new pokerstars skins? HUD was working fine then I changed to the new skin they brought out and now the HUD is lagging a bit.

[chad0x001]

Originally Posted by zumby

I don't follow. Why raise bigger if not to set up stacks for a turn shove? Villain isn't getting odds to call with a flush draw..

eh? unless i make a ridonkulous overbet on the turn, I cannot get stacks in til river

[Queen6Suited]

c/f river, no reason for him to bluff you, and not losing much value,

[Suzukishosan]

Originally Posted by zumby

I don't follow. Why raise bigger if not to set up stacks for a turn shove? Villain isn't getting odds to call with a flush draw..

On the flop if we raise more we give him even worse odds to call with a draw (and he still probably will)

We'd have to raise to about $8 to set up a pot sized turn shove, i think that's way too big.

[zumby]

Originally Posted by chad0x00

eh? unless i make a ridonkulous overbet on the turn, I cannot get stacks in til river

Well, you could if you raised the flop to $8.50 or something, but that's not exactly the point I'm making, which is that saying "raise flop bigger" doesn't help you if there's no reason given for it.

[zumby]

Originally Posted by Suzukishosan

On the flop if we raise more we give him even worse odds to call with a draw (and he still probably will)

We'd have to raise to about $8 to set up a pot sized turn shove, i think that's way too big.

Chad's raised a pretty healthy amount already (almost 3x!) and while $5.30 or $6.10 might still get a call from a flush draw I don't think it's really relevant to the hand as villains don't generally flat a 3x flop 3bet and fold the turn. Just my 2p and all that.

Oh, and Q6s otm.

[Suzukishosan]

Originally Posted by zumby

Chad's raised a pretty healthy amount already (almost 3x!) and while $5.30 or $6.10 might still get a call from a flush draw I don't think it's really relevant to the hand as villains don't generally flat a 3x flop 3bet and fold the turn. Just my 2p and all that.

Oh, and Q6s otm.

That's fine just offering my opinion too.

Chad, have we got any reads? (this should have been the 1st question!)

Edit: Surely getting more money in whilst we're ahead has got to be relevant to any hand?

[Suzukishosan]

20/20 hindsight, what about this?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12502542

CO: $31.36 (125.4 bb)
SB: $67.82 (271.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $25.50 (102 bb)
UTG: $19.91 (79.6 bb)
MP1: $87.48 (349.9 bb)
MP2: $34.25 (137 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 7
UTG folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, CO folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($1) 7 K 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.00, MP1 calls $1.00, MP2 raises to $3.00, SB folds, Hero raises to $8.50, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $5.50

Turn: ($19.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $16.75

[Queen6Suited]

yah true cbet size is way too small.

[zumby]

Originally Posted by Suzukishosan

Edit: Surely getting more money in whilst we're ahead has got to be relevant to any hand?

Sure, but there's more to betsizing than knowing what villain has and maximizing against that particular hand. Chad's 3bet sizing is pretty standard so what raise size and turn bet size are you suggesting, as we can't set up a turn shove and don't want really awkward stack sizes on the river.


Edit: just seen revised hand history. Hm yeah the flop cbet size is the bigger problem!

[BlackStar9]

Currently sitting at 10nl Zoom 6m with 600bb

No HUD or anything

it's laughably bad

[GutshotDan92]

Originally Posted by chad0x00

at 25nl zoom, should I still be sticking to straight value hands or should I be starting to look for slightly more fancy stuff like 3 and 4 betting wider?

3 betting light has its place most certainly. 4 betting light, could do with solid stats which you dont get over a small sample of Zoom, but i guess you can find some good spots to pull out a 4B bluff.

Originally Posted by BlackStar9

hate sweeping statements like this

Eh?

20BI is the minimum suggested BR for a given stake...

[enprinte]

Originally Posted by Suzukishosan

20/20 hindsight, what about this?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12502542

CO: $31.36 (125.4 bb)
SB: $67.82 (271.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $25.50 (102 bb)
UTG: $19.91 (79.6 bb)
MP1: $87.48 (349.9 bb)
MP2: $34.25 (137 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 7
UTG folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, CO folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($1) 7 K 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.00, MP1 calls $1.00, MP2 raises to $3.00, SB folds, Hero raises to $8.50, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $5.50

Turn: ($19.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $16.75

Iso pre, Bet flop and get it in.

As played probably bet less on turn - around 11ish-12ish and easy river jam.