Zoom / Rush Poker thread

[Dunna100]

Originally Posted by therightdeal

You shouldn't be chasing losses, or looking to win it back that evening. It sounds to me like the money means a lot to you. Perhaps it actually does not, but you are pissed that you have lost. I used to be like that, and of course we all get pissed from time to time after a brutal session, but the sooner you accept it the better your game will improve.

In every decision we should be looking to fully maximise our EV. Do not think in terms of monetary value, but expected value. Every session won't be a winning session, you also have to accept that.

I used to get pissed with bad beats etc, but it does not bother me in the slightest now. I work with Pokerstove and run the numbers and all I care about is making the most +EV play in that hand. You should start to do that if you don't already.

Thanks mate, appreciate the words and sentiment, although sometimes easier said than done.

It's not that i chase losses later that day particularly, it's just the time I can normally play the most as the gf is watching crap on telly!

It's funny, the money doesn't matter to me on the table, it's just numbers, but checking the cashier at the end of a session is definately a positive/negative feeling. Am thinking of investing in tilt breaker as think one of the worries is having a bad run and donking away my BR which I've worked hard to get to. I also want to make the move up stick first time so seeing a couple of BIs slip away in a session can be tough if they came from badbeats etc.

I do use Pokerstove, although think I also need to spend more time on study in general.

It's also partly moving to a new stake and getting used to the style of play there, and what the regs are doing and what lines people are taking. I had this issue when i moved up to 10nl too, just takes some getting used to as 25nl is also more aggro again than the previous level, although also seems to be more crazy people, which should be interesting!

[chad0x001]

How wide are we isolating limpers in zoom? ATC? top 80%? QXs+ ?

[Frostyice]

Originally Posted by chad0x00

How wide are we isolating limpers in zoom? ATC? top 80%? QXs+ ?

Chad easy answer it depends on villain

Is he playing 80/2

Is he playing 20/15
Is he playing 40/5

If he's limping like 2-3% of his hands you can't isolate him with Qxs+

As rule of thumb I'd pick at least the top50% of HIS range as YOUR Isolation range so you have more often
Say he's 20/5, that means he's limping/calling preflop the top15% of hands so I'd raise/Iso with top7%


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Unless you have other reads, like limp/fold stat that's high or high fold to cbet on flop or high fold to double barrel

Then you can actually iso with ATC and attack the flop and turn

Just think about how you can make money preflop(fold to limpraise) and postflop(villain check/folding all the time on flop/turn) and if those don't apply you'll need more preflop strength or more showdown value postflop

[HU4hoes]

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($32)
BB ($25.25)
UTG ($27.68)
UTG+1 ($39.14)
CO ($25)
BTN ($24.05)

Dealt to Hero 2 2

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, CO raises to $1, fold, Hero calls $0.90, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.75

FLOP ($3.25) Q 2 5

Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

TURN ($3.25) Q 2 5 3

Hero bets $2.17, UTG+1 calls $2.17, CO calls $2.17

RIVER ($9.76) Q 2 5 3 T

Hero bets $7.75, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $7.75

Hero shows 2 2
(Pre 50%, Flop 96.6%, Turn 90.9%)

CO shows A Q
(Pre 50%, Flop 3.4%, Turn 9.1%)

Hero wins $24.12

are you serious? what, im lost for words

[chad0x001]

why does he check the flop when he hits his hand??

Also, aren't you supposed to be donking out when you hit your set here because of the possible flush coming in and killing the action on the turn?

[HU4hoes]

CO was a reg and had a very high cbet so i was going for the c/r but in hindsight i should just lead given that he checked back the flop with that

[Kralex]

Originally Posted by chad0x00

lol. im rubbish mate, I make no bones about it. I know lots of stuff but it doesnt translate into good plays. but im patient (good job), have time and Im in the right place.

Chad I'm going over your hands and you do not play like this! Its time to quit ZOOM and go back to normal tables. You never posted crazy hands like that before.

[Dunna100]

Originally Posted by chad0x00

why does he check the flop when he hits his hand??

I'm finding 25nl is quite full of either fps or regs taking diff lines from bet/bet/bet.

Early days for me tho, but as I've said, seen some crazy plays, and alot more mega aggro players.

Been thinking actually about best way to play medium PPs against aggro players oop? Don't really want to fold pre, not getting odds to setmine (altho would get paid off), and 4bet/call just seems like flipping too often?

[chad0x001]

Kralex, I might have been a) drunk b) high or c) a bit of both while playing that hand.

[Frostyice]

Originally Posted by HU4hoes

CO was a reg and had a very high cbet so i was going for the c/r but in hindsight i should just lead given that he checked back the flop with that

Yes if you donk out here you're sometimes getting UTG to call before CO acts, if you go for x/r you effectivly make UTG fold ALL the time because there's a bet and raise after he checked, while he might call your bet

And if CO is a reg then it's even worse to check here because he won't bet out into 2 people most of the time and check behind almost always

Also by trapping the fish in the middle we're giving the reg a hard time because he has to define his hand after we bet and the fish calls

[spewpitz]

Couple hands from prevous session:

hj is a super nit, 9/5 over 98 at zoom but I've played a bunch against him at normal tbls. he only 4b / folds. i dont mind the slowplay prf but otf? btn is unkown.

[hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13671792

BTN: $12.35 (123.5 bb)
SB: $6.87 (68.7 bb)
BB: $13.97 (139.7 bb)
UTG: $42.10 (421 bb)
MP: $30.08 (300.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.91 (129.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.20, BB folds

Flop: ($1.10) J 4 7 (4 players)
SB checks, MP bets $0.52, Hero calls $0.52, BTN raises to $2.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.98

Turn: ($6.62) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $9.60 and is all-in, Hero ?

villain is unkown, 12 hands @ 42/25. he snap x/r turn and snap bet river?

[hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13671772

Hero (BTN): $10.30 (103 bb)
SB: $8.85 (88.5 bb)
BB: $10.96 (109.6 bb)
UTG: $9.49 (94.9 bb)
MP: $10.40 (104 bb)
CO: $19.40 (194 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 8
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 3 8 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, BB calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.15) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.65

River: ($6.15) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $4.20, Hero ?

Both easy folds i guess, but would appreciate any feedback.

Trying to put in tons of volume this month and be more active in forums. Hope to move up soon too, about 30bi's to go....

[Frostyice]

#1 BTN totally bombs the turn into 3people 1.4x pot or smth -> always set fold flop

#2 raise the turn he's going to have tons of worse hands

Always calling the river here, he won't raise his flushdraw on the turn so he either has a 8 too or a FH and FH would probably just wait for the flush to come before getting value from the second best hands

He might have a 333 or 777 though a small % of the time

[spewpitz]

Yeah agree with hand one but ima a bit of a station. Easy fold otf. edit: He 5x raised flop 4way n overbet jammed turn HU, think flop folds a bit nitty but prob best as oop n very hard to get to SD. Flop is quite dry tho and my range looks weak, so doubt he's slowing down with many J's. Difficult with no reads / history.

I tanked for 30sec or so on hand 2 otr, but should have called now looking back. He prob had a worse 8 and boats a small % of the time. Didnt put him on a flush as doubt he's x/r turn with a fd, makes river fold even worse...... but so much rando stuff at 10nl and timing tells seem to be correct a lot of the time. i dunno, bad fold i guess.

You think a click back ott to induce or just 3b around 2.2x or jam?

[Dunna100]

Originally Posted by Dunna100

Been thinking actually about best way to play medium PPs against aggro players oop? Don't really want to fold pre, not getting odds to setmine (altho would get paid off), and 4bet/call just seems like flipping too often?

Be interested in any opinions on this. Particularly against the real LAG villains that have 100% flop and turn cbet stats.

Thinking 77-TT really as would be happy stacking off pre with JJ+, or should I be opening this range and stack off lighter? Or just fold pf? Just not sure of the most +EV option.

[ItTollsForThee]

^ if you have hands that suggest the person IP is playing a LAG style you can check-raise wider on flops and maybe check-call down on really dry boards, depending on their sizing, number of players in pot etc. Just pay attention to betsizes post and figure out what they would bet > 1 streets with.