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09-14-2012 , 01:27 PM
@ Burnss - although I slightly agree I still think the jumps from NL10 to NL25 and 25 to 50 are pretty large even if we somewhat magnify it in our minds (can't speak of NL5 to NL10).

Also, 8/9% is quite a lot for the micros especially 10nl. I must have came across one person with a 3bet that high the other night, 25nl has a fair few of them and then most regs at 50 have a 3bet around there.
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09-14-2012 , 01:54 PM
50nl Way more aggro than 200nl IMO
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09-14-2012 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HU4hoes
50nl Way more aggro than 200nl IMO
+1 ldo
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09-14-2012 , 02:07 PM
I was just talking about 10nl ZOOM specifically compared to normal 10nl. Maybe it's just the pace of it which gives the impression of more aggression i dunno. I do steal a lot though so w/o gameflow people seem to just look at stats and auto 3b. So far this month @10nl zoom I've 4b bluffed 26 times and 22 of them were successful. That's gotta say something.
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09-14-2012 , 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andymc1
I was just talking about 10nl ZOOM specifically compared to normal 10nl. Maybe it's just the pace of it which gives the impression of more aggression i dunno. I do steal a lot though so w/o gameflow people seem to just look at stats and auto 3b. So far this month @10nl zoom I've 4b bluffed 26 times and 22 of them were successful. That's gotta say something.
That's obv the pace of the game, the new hand is with different people, obv it's going to feel a lot more aggro
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09-14-2012 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HU4hoes
That's obv the pace of the game, the new hand is with different people, obv it's going to feel a lot more aggro
+1 its probably because your not sitting there watching hands play out. It just feels more aggro
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09-14-2012 , 03:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andymc1
Maybe it's just the pace of it which gives the impression of more aggression
hrmm yea I did say that....
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09-14-2012 , 03:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andymc1
I was just talking about 10nl ZOOM specifically compared to normal 10nl. Maybe it's just the pace of it which gives the impression of more aggression i dunno. I do steal a lot though so w/o gameflow people seem to just look at stats and auto 3b. So far this month @10nl zoom I've 4b bluffed 26 times and 22 of them were successful. That's gotta say something.
it says you aren't 4-bet bluffing enough.

Last edited by A.Ertbjerg; 09-14-2012 at 03:56 PM. Reason: and that you pick good spots to 4-bet bluffs
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09-14-2012 , 04:07 PM
I didnt know how to size properly here. Please help.

Villain is a rock: VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 2.6, Hands: 349

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13920422

    BTN: $3.62 (72.4 bb)
    SB: $4.20 (84 bb)
    BB: $7.42 (148.4 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $5 (100 bb)
    MP: $63.05 (1,261 bb)
    CO: $17.19 (343.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A Q
    Hero raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.47) 2 3 5 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, CO calls $0.35, BB folds

    Turn: ($1.17) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80

    River: ($2.77) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.12, CO calls $2.12

    Spoiler:
    Results: $7.01 pot ($0.29 rake)
    Final Board: 2 3 5 9 3
    Hero showed A Q and won $6.72 ($3.30 net)
    CO mucked 6 5 and lost (-$3.42 net)



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    09-14-2012 , 04:14 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
    it says you aren't 4-bet bluffing enough.
    Well I only 4betted for values 24 times.


    Last edited by andymc1; 09-14-2012 at 04:19 PM. Reason: added pic.
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    09-14-2012 , 04:25 PM
    it doesn't really matter how many times you 4-bet for value. If your 4-bet bluffs are successful 22/26 it means that you can 4-bet bluff more.

    That being said a 1:1 value/bluff ratio isn't bad. But if your opponents aren't picking up on it 4-bet bluff until they do.
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    09-14-2012 , 04:25 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chad0x00
    I didnt know how to size properly here. Please help.

    Villain is a rock: VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 2.6, Hands: 349

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13920422

      BTN: $3.62 (72.4 bb)
      SB: $4.20 (84 bb)
      BB: $7.42 (148.4 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $5 (100 bb)
      MP: $63.05 (1,261 bb)
      CO: $17.19 (343.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with A Q
      Hero raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.47) 2 3 5 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, CO calls $0.35, BB folds

      Turn: ($1.17) 9 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80

      River: ($2.77) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.12, CO calls $2.12

      Spoiler:
      Results: $7.01 pot ($0.29 rake)
      Final Board: 2 3 5 9 3
      Hero showed A Q and won $6.72 ($3.30 net)
      CO mucked 6 5 and lost (-$3.42 net)



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      give up otr.

      edit,
      Sorry misread hand didn't notice the flush come in.

      I would just bet a lil' bigger all the way. esp flop.

      Last edited by andymc1; 09-14-2012 at 04:42 PM. Reason: misread hand.
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      09-14-2012 , 04:31 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
      it doesn't really matter how many times you 4-bet for value. If your 4-bet bluffs are successful 22/26 it means that you can 4-bet bluff more.

      That being said a 1:1 value/bluff ratio isn't bad. But if your opponents aren't picking up on it 4-bet bluff until they do.
      Yeah I just have an aversion to spew so I try to pick the only very best spots. Mostly when villain is OOP and won't flat or we're like 120-140bb deep and I know their range for 5betting is tiny. It might not be optimal but it stops me tilting off stacks I suppose.
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      09-14-2012 , 04:58 PM
      Ok everytime I stack off preflop with QQ, KK, AK I lose to AA, wtf?
      Really, is tacking off preflop with hands worse than AA ev-?
      nl2 6max
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      09-14-2012 , 05:24 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Grigo.
      Ok everytime I stack off preflop with QQ, KK, AK I lose to AA, wtf?
      Really, is tacking off preflop with hands worse than AA ev-?
      nl2 6max
      variance

      selective memory?

      QQ, AK are not auto stack offs.
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      09-14-2012 , 05:39 PM
      When I played at normal tables on other poker rooms my QQ/AK ships pre were profitable.
      Selective memory? Nah, I stacked off like 8 QQ and every time it was against AA/ KK I won 2 by lucky Q.
      AK I stacked off like 10 times and I lost 9/10 to AA, one I won against KK.
      Variance? I say maybe. Just noticed people push usully with nuts preflop.

      I also noticed that many people insta 3b push or open push with aces, does it really make people to call looser those ships? :O
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      09-14-2012 , 05:44 PM
      Usually people at 2nl zoom <150bb deep stack off AK down to QQ preflop, sometimes they openshove 99 for 100bb, but I'm reluctant to call with QQ when I get 4betshoved for 100bb but they do often have AK

      As rule of thumb I'd only stack off KK+ pre, and not AK probably 3bet/fold a lot because we're doing like crap against 2nl 4bet range with AK but it has decent fold equity preflop/flop and still some equity if you miss (seen people call AQ and worse alot vs 3bet for some reason at 2nl)

      Yeah noticed a lot of people were just open shoveing AA preflop from any position, like I'm sitting in BB it gets folded to the SB and he open ships for 380bb while I'm sitting on 500bb, kind of easy to play against them by folding anything but AA to their preflop shove
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      09-14-2012 , 08:30 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by chad0x00
      I didnt know how to size properly here. Please help.

      Villain is a rock: VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 2.6, Hands: 349

        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13920422

        BTN: $3.62 (72.4 bb)
        SB: $4.20 (84 bb)
        BB: $7.42 (148.4 bb)
        Hero (UTG): $5 (100 bb)
        MP: $63.05 (1,261 bb)
        CO: $17.19 (343.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with A Q
        Hero raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

        Flop: ($0.47) 2 3 5 (3 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, CO calls $0.35, BB folds

        Turn: ($1.17) 9 (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80

        River: ($2.77) 3 (2 players)
        Hero bets $2.12, CO calls $2.12

        Spoiler:
        Results: $7.01 pot ($0.29 rake)
        Final Board: 2 3 5 9 3
        Hero showed A Q and won $6.72 ($3.30 net)
        CO mucked 6 5 and lost (-$3.42 net)



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        wp (Y) imo
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        09-14-2012 , 09:25 PM
        Zoom Huds - What do you guys think you should and shouldn't show on your hud.

        Here is my hud (6max)- Bold is what i think is relevant.

        vpip/ pfr / hands
        3b/squeeze/ ft3b / 4b

        Cb / ftcb/ Ats/F steal
        wtsd/ w$sd% / wwsf

        Any thoughts on my hud? What would you remove or add. Wtsd/ wwsf i don't use to much but im trying to incorporate more into my decision making process.

        Also created my some of my own pop ups to make them easier to read.
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        09-14-2012 , 09:37 PM
        its your own personal preference really. I have one pretty much exact same as yours but f24b in it aswell. and i think that is enough as pretty easy to just click to open popup.

        but some people like Q6s basically covers his whole screen with stats and basically turns the hud popout onto the hud.
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        09-14-2012 , 09:44 PM
        id remove the bottom line
        lol Q6s is cool with all the positional stats on his hud
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        09-14-2012 , 10:08 PM
        Villain in hand 1 seemed fishy so I 3bet bigger than normal to get value from all his likely limp folds. Im unhappy with my flop bet. i know the board is dry but I already know he's fishy so I shouldn't be afraid to bet much more here - nearer to pot. At the same time, if I half pot half pot, we'll get in by the river anyway. Question then, when should I bet pot ont he flop compared to building up to a shove on the river?

          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13923002

          BTN: $8.92 (178.4 bb)
          SB: $5 (100 bb)
          Hero (BB): $6.24 (124.8 bb)
          UTG: $6.45 (129 bb)
          MP: $4.95 (99 bb)
          CO: $3.76 (75.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
          UTG folds, MP raises to $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, MP calls $0.35

          Flop: ($0.92) 6 9 5 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.44, MP calls $0.44

          Turn: ($1.80) 6 (2 players)
          Hero bets $1.20, MP calls $1.20

          River: ($4.20) 4 (2 players)
          Hero bets $2.87, MP calls $2.86




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          Villain is 21/18/13.2% 3bet over 98 hands, 4 bet range 5.8% (crap sample but he seems pretty aggro to me). My heart sank on the flop but the turn gave me hope (if there are two aces on the board, he'd less likely to have one in hand!).

            Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13923012

            BTN: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
            SB: $2.14 (42.8 bb)
            Hero (BB): $5.33 (106.6 bb)
            UTG: $9.36 (187.2 bb)
            MP: $5.26 (105.2 bb)
            CO: $5.89 (117.8 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
            UTG raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.15, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.65, UTG raises to $9.36, BTN folds, Hero calls $4.68 and is all-in

            Flop: ($10.83) 3 2 A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            Turn: ($10.83) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: ($10.83) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)



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            Anyway, decent session +3 buyins. Let the good times roll! Im going to get to 100 buyins for 5nl before I move up to 10nl this time.
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            09-14-2012 , 10:15 PM
            bet more earlier on. That way you get more value if he folds turn/river.
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            09-14-2012 , 10:15 PM
            dont bluff me children


              Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13923042

              BTN: $11.21 (112.1 bb)
              Hero (SB): $10.45 (104.5 bb)
              BB: $23.33 (233.3 bb)
              UTG: $11.48 (114.8 bb)
              MP: $23.01 (230.1 bb)
              CO: $19.49 (194.9 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
              UTG folds, MP raises to $0.20, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BB folds, MP calls $0.20, CO calls $0.10

              Flop: ($1.30) 9 5 3 (3 players)
              Hero bets $0.64, MP raises to $1.28, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.92, MP calls $0.64

              Turn: ($5.14) 6 (2 players)
              Hero bets $2.50, MP folds




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                Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13923052

                BTN: $46.95 (469.5 bb)
                SB: $10.30 (103 bb)
                Hero (BB): $13.16 (131.6 bb)
                UTG: $37.71 (377.1 bb)
                MP: $13.38 (133.8 bb)
                CO: $13.45 (134.5 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 9
                3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.20, BTN calls $0.90, SB folds

                Flop: ($2.70) 2 3 A (2 players)
                Hero bets $1.34, BTN raises to $2.68, Hero raises to $4.02, BTN calls $1.34

                Turn: ($10.74) T (2 players)
                Hero bets $7.94 and is all-in, BTN folds




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                  Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13923062

                  BTN: $6.69 (66.9 bb)
                  SB: $19.13 (191.3 bb)
                  BB: $9.29 (92.9 bb)
                  UTG: $12.15 (121.5 bb)
                  MP: $12.56 (125.6 bb)
                  Hero (CO): $10.15 (101.5 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is CO with T T
                  2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero calls $0.70

                  Flop: ($2.10) K Q 6 (2 players)
                  SB checks, Hero checks

                  Turn: ($2.10) K (2 players)
                  SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

                  River: ($4.10) 8 (2 players)
                  SB bets $2.74, Hero calls $2.74

                  Results: $9.58 pot ($0.43 rake)
                  Final Board: K Q 6 K 8
                  SB showed 4 A and lost (-$4.74 net)
                  Hero showed T T and won $9.15 ($4.41 net)



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                  hands look fine chad

                  Last edited by Burnss; 09-14-2012 at 10:16 PM. Reason: confirmed busto
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                  09-14-2012 , 10:25 PM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by Grigo.
                  I also noticed that many people insta 3b push or open push with aces, does it really make people to call looser those ships? :O
                  Openshoves (esp short stacks) at 2NL-5NL i'm calling off with TT+,AK, in some cases AJ+,77+ . Usually this is tilt and I have seen everthing from Q4o, any pair (rarely QQ+, these players prefer to slowplay these hands), Ax..

                  Same goes for open3bshoves for most vilians.
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