[QUOTE=raikkonen3;33493143]Are we 100bb deep? Yeah I don't think we do either, CO worries me quite a bit because he has nitty stats too and he should be worried about a nit 3betting and a reg 4betting a nit. If either has QQ then it's pretty horrible. Did you call? Reminds me of a hand I had from earlier, fortunately I was in the best position.
100bb's deep. Yeah I called, I think I needed ~23% to call and I thought f it I must be getting the right odds here. Probably getting ~15% against both villains perceived ranges. Still don't know if 4bet is bad or not. Meh sick hand anyways. CO showed JJ and Btn showed AA.
What bankroll did you move up to 25nl at? Have like 550 and might take a shot.
BB shows 8 9 (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 45%, Flop 53%, Turn 35%) Hero shows Q 5 (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 55%, Flop 47%, Turn 65%) Hero wins $31.57
snaaappppped it.
Q6s i'm having a hard time getting my head round this if you can interject on the thought process.
I'm guessing your raising a really wide range BvB and villain knows this so he's likely to float a lot of flops on this super dry board because he thinks your FOS. It's hard for him to have trips (because trips is hard) however he could have A7s 97 87 etc. His floating range will contain some aces, and some other crap, however I don't know what his 3 bet but we can discount some aces as he will 3bet them pre. Turn comes a king which we can more likely have than him so we bet, we could also have trips etc. Villain believes we will barrel scare card so he can call with a 7, he also may raise a T for value given that a flush draw is now out there as well as a straight draw. River comes a T which means it's v unlikely that villain has a T. He also bets fairly large OTR which polarizes him as he will want to get value from his full house. He is unlikely to do this with 7's FH because he has some SDV. Sound about right? Why did you decide to call and not raise? Surely some of his of bluffing range will contain aces?
100bb's deep. Yeah I called, I think I needed ~23% to call and I thought f it I must be getting the right odds here. Probably getting ~15% against both villains perceived ranges. Still don't know if 4bet is bad or not. Meh sick hand anyways. CO showed JJ and Btn showed AA.
What bankroll did you move up to 25nl at? Have like 550 and might take a shot.
Jesus, what is CO doing?!
Well I originally planned to wait until I had 600 $but then I decided to do 1 table of NL25 with 3 of NL10. I later went on to 2 table NL25 and won 3BI so my roll was ~$600, yesterday I 2 tabled and won 8BI so roll is now ~$800. I think $550 is enough if you are confident with yourself and you set yourself a stop loss point, mine was $400.
Why don't u upp your br requirements and drop down accordingly?
It sounds more like you have some serious tilt issues that are eating away at your bankroll not just once or twice, you should focus on that mainly
Each time I moved up, I got killed to death. Some bad beats obviously but I cant have lost as much as I did through beats so it had to be problems with my play. MUCH better to drop back down to 2nl and learn from my mistakes there than at 25nl. Nothing to do with bad BRM or tilt issues.
River: ($5.80) J (2 players)
SB bets $2.30, Hero raises to $6.90, SB raises to $9.18, Hero calls $1.44 and is all-in
Spoiler:
Results: $22.48 pot ($1.01 rake)
Final Board: T 5 7 7 J
SB showed K J and won $0.00 (-$11.24 net)
Hero showed T T and won $21.47 ($10.23 net)
Also, this is the sort of hand that's annoying me. MP1 is 13/10/5, we're not deep enough to call but I can't see value is 4-betting either. I could ship it but then I'm likely only getting called where I'm beat (also a reason I'm gonna start 4-betting KK smaller so we give hands that aren't AA a chance to shove over us rather than only AA calling a shove) and if I so something like min-4bet villain calls with position and I'm hating most flops or they shove over and I'm still close to pot-committed.
I know it's nearly always a lay-down but it just seems weak with such a strong hand but I can't see how we're ever any better than a race.
Q6s i'm having a hard time getting my head round this if you can interject on the thought process.
I'm guessing your raising a really wide range BvB and villain knows this so he's likely to float a lot of flops on this super dry board because he thinks your FOS.
I am raising a really wide range bvb, but at the time I didn't think villain had adjusted to this as he had something like 5/7 ftcbet bvb, and a real high ftcbet overall.
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It's hard for him to have trips (because trips is hard) however he could have A7s 97 87 etc. His floating range will contain some aces, and some other crap, however I don't know what his 3 bet but we can discount some aces as he will 3bet them pre. Turn comes a king which we can more likely have than him so we bet, we could also have trips etc.
Yeah just bet the king as default because he probably doesnt fold the flop with any pair or obv 7x, which I think he will fold now a lot of the time.
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Villain believes we will barrel scare card so he can call with a 7, he also may raise a T for value given that a flush draw is now out there as well as a straight draw.
Didn't give this villain credit for thinking on this level about calling with a 7, because so far he had been playing ABC and seemed to be thinking about his cards and how they interacted with the board, and not our bluffing ranges and stuff. Also yeah I expected that he would raise a 10 some % of the time.
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River comes a T which means it's v unlikely that villain has a T. He also bets fairly large OTR which polarizes him as he will want to get value from his full house. He is unlikely to do this with 7's FH because he has some SDV. Sound about right? Why did you decide to call and not raise? Surely some of his of bluffing range will contain aces?
I hope this doesn't sound like a ramble.
Yeah basically otr I was sure he wouldn't bet a 7, and since he had a high ftcbet didn't think he could have a king. The only real hands I was worried about were like JJ and QQ, but he had 6% 3bet so I guess he 3bets these pre some %. Otr at first I thought I should have raised but now I like the call more, because I don't think he has much Ax and people like the villain get stationy vs river c/rs and would probably call all his value betting range.
Each time I moved up, I got killed to death. Some bad beats obviously but I cant have lost as much as I did through beats so it had to be problems with my play. MUCH better to drop back down to 2nl and learn from my mistakes there than at 25nl. Nothing to do with bad BRM or tilt issues.
Thanks for your concern though mates :x
But why not just move back to 10NL?
Playing styles will be closer to 25NL so it'll be better for your game IMO.
What's a good FT3bet%? I just played a 2k hand session and I managed to get it down to 69% but some of the hands I were calling were a stretch, I just don't understand how I could get it any lower without making some very suspect flats. One hand I had KQs on the BTN, opened to 2.5x and SB 3bet, this has to be a call right? I flopped two pair, he flopped top set and we got it in.
Villain is 56/22 over 9 hands. Should I try get it in pre-flop? Should I just fold this flop?
fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75
Flop:($3.10, 2 players) 8 J 3 BB bets $3.50,
What's the best line with this hand (once I've 3bet)? Villain was 14/13/FT3B 86% over 184 hands. I figured his range is heavily weighted towards overpairs so K is a good card to barrel imo.
Villain is 15/10 over 90 hands, 3% 3bet. I didn't get it in otf because a flop raise in this spot has too many sets in his range as I have about the only draw he would raise, except perhaps 98cc or QJcc.
There is no such thing as a "good" fold to 3-bet stat. If people aren't 3-bet bluffing you exploit it by folding. If they are 3-bet bluffing a lot you exploit it by 4-bet bluffing and calling.
Villain is 15/10 over 90 hands, 3% 3bet. I didn't get it in otf because a flop raise in this spot has too many sets in his range as I have about the only draw he would raise, except perhaps 98cc or QJcc.
fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, MP+1 calls $0.75, fold, CO calls $0.75, fold, SB calls $0.65, fold
Flop:($3.25, 4 players) 2 T 7
SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, MP+1 raises to $6.00, fold, fold, Hero calls $4.00
Turn:($15.25, 2 players) T Hero checks, MP+1 checks
River:($15.25, 2 players) 8
Hero?
What's my line otr? I'm thinking bet/fold around 1/3 of the pot perhaps? Or better to check/call depending on his sizing?
Check call will be better , if you bet and get raised your in a really bad spot , and most likely would have to fold. He could have worse flush that he bets on the river there fore you should call.
Check call will be better , if you bet and get raised your in a really bad spot , and most likely would have to fold. He could have worse flush that he bets on the river there fore you should call.
But check/calling makes it more expensive to find out if he has a FH, right? If I check and he bets $12, can I call?
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