Zoom / Rush Poker thread

[OziBattler]

Generalistic questions get generalistic answers that usually aren't very useful. Post specific hands with reads In a strat forum ... Where you'll probably be chastised for trying make hero folds.

[gothninja]

Originally Posted by ShotGlass-

How do you get away from SET vs SET

You don't. Except in some tourney situations.

overpair vs overpair

You need to learn to give up overpairs vs strength on certain boards. That said, overpair vs overpair is as tricky as set over set sometimes.

Don't worry about those situations. They are rare, and you will lose too much money being scared of monsters under the bed if you give them too much weight.

If it happens, tough.

[Mr Beer]

I don't even care about set over set, 95% of the time I played it correctly to get the money in. It's actually quite a useful insight to see how your opponent plays when they flop a monster, so much slowplaying it's not funny.

Overpairs vs overpairs...this is very situational, post hands.

[gothninja]

Originally Posted by Mr Beer

I don't even care

+1

@ShotGlass - in poker you need to learn how to lose sometimes. It's a big part of the game.

[ShotGlass-]

Originally Posted by Dunna100

Not often much you can do re set v set, altho it doesn't happen that often, you just remember it more as it's a cooler.

If you're getting beaten often by better kickers then you need to adjust your pf opening range

Not getting beaten by kickers, it's AA vs KK, and TTT vs QQQ type situations.

[HU4hoes]

Now this is when you need quads!!

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($74.24)
Hero ($67.82)
UTG ($59.82)
UTG+1 ($50.20)
CO ($71.58)
BTN ($27.75)

Dealt to Hero 7 7

fold, fold, CO raises to $1.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $1

FLOP ($3.25) Q J J

Hero checks, CO checks

TURN ($3.25) Q J J 7

Hero bets $2.17, CO raises to $5.50, Hero raises to $15.50, CO raises to $70.08 (AI), Hero calls $50.82 (AI)

RIVER ($135) Q J J 7 7

Hero shows 7 7
(Pre 19%, Flop 0.2%, Turn 2.3%)

CO shows Q Q
(Pre 81%, Flop 99.8%, Turn 97.7%)

Hero wins $133

[gothninja]

Originally Posted by ShotGlass-

Not getting beaten by kickers, it's AA vs KK, and TTT vs QQQ type situations.

Sometimes the long shots come in. What is it exactly that you don't understand about probability?

[Suzukishosan]

Originally Posted by gothninja

+1

@ShotGlass - in poker you need to learn how to lose sometimes. It's a big part of the game.

Meh, i don't think i'll ever learn to be indifferent about losing. imo it's how one responds to losing that's the important thing

ShotGlass - posting bad beats on 2+2 is not the most productive way to respond.

Instead try posting hands you think you might have played badly instead of the beats, study more, concentrate more when you're playing etc.....

[gothninja]

Originally Posted by Suzukishosan

Meh, i don't think i'll ever learn to be indifferent about losing. imo it's how one responds to losing that's the important thing

Good point. The thing is - in poker you will lose sometimes, actually often, even if you play perfectly. What matters is that you made the best decision based on the information you have at the time, that you gain as much information as you can, and that you put your opponent to the most difficult decisions. It's about knowing that when you lose, most often you would have won.

ShotGlass is too results-oriented imo and needs to get over that attitude - from his posts in this thread and others.

I'm sure he'll thank me later.

[OziBattler]

Originally Posted by Suzukishosan

Meh, i don't think i'll ever learn to be indifferent about losing. imo it's how one responds to losing that's the important thing

ShotGlass - posting bad beats on 2+2 is not the most productive way to respond.

Instead try posting hands you think you might have played badly instead of the beats, study more, concentrate more when you're playing etc.....

This +1

Shotglass, I'm going to be blunt so the message is crystal.

No one cares that you lost a pot or many pots but when ALL you do is cry like a girl, refuse to acknowledge feelback that u don't like, show an inability to take advice on board and continue with posting bad beats ..... Well what happens is that you start to wear out your welcome. Beginners is usually a very tolerant place (if you don't believe me then u should post in bbv and see what happens) so when you get a rep here for being a bad poster It's not the forum It's you.

Basically if you want to earn some respect here you need to show you are willing to listen and learn. Do this and you might even get good enough at poker so that you don't lose

You have the ball, where u choose to go from here is up to you....

[OziBattler]

Originally Posted by gothninja

I'm sure he'll thank me later.

Wanna bet on that?

[gothninja]

Originally Posted by OziBattler

Wanna bet on that?

lol - ok, but it's a "long run" thing - I'm not signing up to a time limit.

[Mr Beer]

+1 to Ozi's post, especially the bit about crying like a little girl, FFS, harden up Shotglass.

Originally Posted by gothninja

lol - ok, but it's a "long run" thing - I'm not signing up to a time limit.

Ha ha ha, this is exactly the attitude that you develop when grinding...gothninja busting out the meta-advice.

[GutshotDan92]

Originally Posted by ShotGlass-

Not getting beaten by kickers, it's AA vs KK, and TTT vs QQQ type situations.

ShotGlass: Post your graph please.

[Cydonia]

Could anybody elaborate how to play against UTG limp-callers at microstakes? I know it's considered as bad play, but I see that move really often when playing Zoom and have no idea how to counter it.