Hand begins at 2015/12/26 8:04 pm - Full Ring 25NL
7 handed
Stacksizes:
Villain 1: $26.81
Villain 2: $27.08
Villain 3: $56.13 vpip18/pfr13/3b4/cbet44/hands167
Villain 4: $10.65
Hero: $25.00 Dealer vpip14/pfr13/3b5/cbet50(this session)
Villain 5: $24.90 Small Blind
Villain 6: $8.90 Big Blind

Preflop:
Villain 1 calls 0.25
Villain 2 folds
Villain 3 raises to 1.00
Villain 4 folds
Hero raises to 3.25
Villain 5 folds
Villain 6 folds
Villain 1 folds
Villain 3 raises to 6.75
Hero calls 3.50
Flop ($14.10) : [X X X]

My question is based on what we see, how bad of a call is this? I raised on the button to isolate and I would've been fine taking it down pre or cbetting a board that is favorable for JJ but I get 3b by a villain whos stats seem rather solid and hasn't made any noticeable errors. The problem I had is that the 3b is so small, I don't like folding (for image sake and possibly being exploited in the future) but I am not getting anywhere close the right odds to have put $6.75 pre with a hand that, to me, seems almost always dominated and would most likely need to find more then just a pair to win.

Villain 4bet not 3bet. Assuming you have JJ (not 100% clear from your post), you should fold.

I don't really like your 3bet either but it's not nearly as bad as calling the 4bet.

Sorry youre right, its a 4 bet not 3 bet, had a long day.

Yes i had JJ on the button, mustve gotten cut out when i was editing. I dont understand why you dont like the 3bet in position. JJ is a strong hand, 7 handed. To me, thats standard...so maybe i need to rethink it

what worse does call your 3bet?

what better will fold?

Villain 3 looks pretty tight, I think he isolates with a strong range. I don't think 3betting is awful or anything but I'd rather overcall.

EDIT

TBH I viewed this as 9 handed when I said I don't like it, I think it's OK. I overcall because I'm a nit though.

3-betting JJ vs MP 4xiso is questionable, still can't be horrible. EV of calling is likely to be bigger.

Calling 4b should be std, he makes it quite big, but still should be good.

Its one of those JJ hands where its impossible to play right.

For me I think flatting his 4xiso is best given his stats, but I can also see why you raised, JJ is a strong hand 9 handed but when he 4bets you from MP his range has got to be AA KK QQ AKs and you kinda need to think how well am I doing against these hands on the flop.

But on the other hand I have played this hand this way many times and ended up folding to a Cbet.

Another reason why I hate JJ

7 handed ranges are kind of an oddity so i guess given his vpip/pfr i could see him opening pre with 77+, ATo+, KQs+ so there are quite a few hands that im doing well with and that i might be able to get to fold pre. In terms of what i can get to fold i think most players would at least call my 3B given were both 100BB (hes 200BB+)

I cant imagine 7 handed vs a villain (even as tight as this) that the only hands i can 3B on button, with an utg limper, is QQ+, AK

Call the first raise. Fold to the 4-bet.

Stop overvaluing jacks. JJ does well against an opening range and does pretty horribly against a 4-betting range. You're gonna hate most flops even if villain just calls the 3-bet, because he'll have sets when you have an overpair, and he'll have AK/AQ/KQs when there's an overcard on the flop.
Save your 3-bets with jacks for when you're in the blinds against CO/BTN ranges that are wider/weaker. Hands like Axss or even 65s are better candidates for 3-bets in this spot pre-flop, since you're clearly bluffing then. JJ is too good to waste as a bluff when it can make money by calling.

Just in case people were looking to see what happened...

Flop: [4h 4d Js]
Villain 3 bets 4.00
Hero calls 4.00
Turn: [Kh]
Villain 3 checks
Hero checks
River: [4c]
Villain 3 bets 45.38
Hero calls 14.25
31.13 returned to Villain 3
Action has ended
Villain 3 shows [Ac As] Full House, Fours full of Aces
Hero shows [Jh Jc] Full House, Jacks full of Fours
Hero wins 48.07


I read all the time that people post hands that they get crushed/unlucky on, but I felt I played this hand horrifically preflop and definitely got lucky in the exact scenario I was fairly certain I was facing. Thanks for the input !!!