What are your biggest leaks ? - Page 5 - Beginning Poker Questions

Suzukishosan · 05-27-2012, 03:53 PM

^ agree but we do need pot odds on the checklist.

In the example there's got to be a point at which we'd call.

zumby · 05-27-2012, 05:32 PM

W/r/t river calling, and especially Suzukishosan's point, look in HEM/PT for your "River Call Win%" stat. As long as it's over ~40% you're probably doing fine.

You can also filter for hand type.. see how well you're doing with those sick Acehigh calls etc

T-Bird · 05-27-2012, 06:41 PM

Good thread OP. Got me honestly thinking about my leaks and getting them out there to fix.

Playing on autopilot.
Not notetaking enough.
Not paying full attention to the tables (internet/telly)
Playing too many tables.
Making calls even when I decision making process says I'm going to fold.
Not valuebetting enough.
Not developing reads and playing postflop poker enough
Checking Cashier/PT3 during a session.
Playing tired too much.

A lot of them group together but I'm gonna make a conscious effort when I'm playing next to start fixing a lot of them.

chrismha · 05-27-2012, 09:58 PM

My biggest leak perhaps is how I play small pocket pairs.
It seems that I limp/call too much with smp, which obviously turns my hand face up.

chrismha · 05-27-2012, 10:03 PM

....and failing to use my HEM to its fullest...the list can go on for ages

Gunnerz69 · 05-27-2012, 11:09 PM

tilt, tilt, tilt.

Playing a solid, highly profitable session. Only to have some peanut river his gutshot after betting the pot the entire way and then playing like a maniac, 3 betting every pot on every one of my 8 tables and losing 4 buy-ins in 10 mins...

Then stand up and swear at the top of my lungs and 30 seconds later I move on with life.

Gunnerz69 · 05-27-2012, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrismha

My biggest leak perhaps is how I play small pocket pairs.
It seems that I limp/call too much with smp, which obviously turns my hand face up.

Come in with a raise now and then, bet the flop.
More often than not you'll start taking it down and when you do get raised you win massive pots when you hit your set. Or you get away from it cheaply if you don't hit your set

chrismha · 05-28-2012, 01:08 AM

http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer Game#56083957235

syndel ($9.78)
8raDav1s ($4)
donwan420aces ($2.09)
gordzilla11 ($2.17)
ajl4621 ($2.80)
Minicomputer ($4)

syndel posts (SB) $0.02
8raDav1s posts (BB) $0.04

Dealt to syndel 3c 4s
fold, fold, fold,
Minicomputer raises to $0.08
syndel raises to $0.21
fold,
Minicomputer calls $0.13
FLOP ($0.46) Ts 7d Ah
syndel bets $0.30
Minicomputer calls $0.30
TURN ($1.06) Ts 7d Ah Tc
syndel bets $0.70
Minicomputer calls $0.70
RIVER ($2.46) Ts 7d Ah Tc 9h
syndel bets $1.84

another leak?????......trying to triple barrel bluff a 20/12 (60 hands)

DK Barrel · 05-28-2012, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denks

Unless you are against drunk aggro young guys I find live is better to err on the side of MUBsy. A raise on the turn is almost always the nuts. A raise on the river is always the nuts. A 3-bet on the flop is either the nuts or a monster combo draw.

This is what makes bet-fold such a potent weapon in live games - you can bet-fold your opponents to death and keep getting it in while ahead and not paying them off when you are behind.

For example, you have AA and bet the flop and on a board of QJ49 you get check-raised. Easy fold - 100% you are behind and drawing very thin.

If you are worried about bad folds then spend some time on pot commitment and pot control. If you do not feel pot commited then if you can see a big pot brewing (you should pick this on the flop, not wait for a big pot to materialise and then go "oh crap, what do I do now?") then fold your marginal hands. Pro NL defines this well, once you put in 10% of your stack you should have decided if you are going to be pot commited or not. if you are pot commited you will have already decided you will be making that call, if you are not pot commited you would not be in a situation of a big pot facing a big bet to begin with as you would have folded a street or two earlier.

Solid advice, thanks. Especially bet-folding -- I've seen that hammered to death in the LLSNL forum, with good reason.

I definitely would prefer to fold too much than call too much -- you can still win playing weak-tight. I think folding too much is just a marginal leak at live 1/2 (not counting really dumb stuff like putting half your stack in and folding), but I do think it's my biggest right now. Not a bad problem to have

Quote:

Originally Posted by COKE_MAN

A lot of these are familiar.

Good example Mr Bump, but that brings up another leak of mine that makes me call the river too often. Convincing myself that I have the odds to call even if I know I am beat. In your example, I sigh and think "I am getting about 5.5:1 to call here. I have to don't I?" Then I watch him show down AJ.

The key is to be honest with yourself on the river. Don't call because you want to, call because you've built a range of your opponents holdings based on his actions and expect to be ahead x% of the time. Getting 5.5:1 means you have to be ahead 15.4% of the time you call. You could be behind almost all the time and still be correct to call.

If you have a HUD I highly suggest you run a "Called river bet" filter and take a close look at what is happening there. Most notably, look for cases where you were correct to call on the river and figure out why (villain overvaluing his middling hand? bluffing a busted draw?). Calling too much on the river is probably a leak but I wouldn't go so far as to say "never call because I am almost always beat".

DK Barrel · 05-28-2012, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrismha

http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer Game#56083957235

syndel ($9.78)
8raDav1s ($4)
donwan420aces ($2.09)
gordzilla11 ($2.17)
ajl4621 ($2.80)
Minicomputer ($4)

syndel posts (SB) $0.02
8raDav1s posts (BB) $0.04

Dealt to syndel 3c 4s
fold, fold, fold,
Minicomputer raises to $0.08
syndel raises to $0.21
fold,
Minicomputer calls $0.13
FLOP ($0.46) Ts 7d Ah
syndel bets $0.30
Minicomputer calls $0.30
TURN ($1.06) Ts 7d Ah Tc
syndel bets $0.70
Minicomputer calls $0.70
RIVER ($2.46) Ts 7d Ah Tc 9h
syndel bets $1.84

another leak?????......trying to triple barrel bluff a 20/12 (60 hands)

does this count as quad-barreling

i am going to call it quad-barreling

the problem here is the pot you are trying to steal is composed entirely of your own money

the solution is to not put your money into it (i.e. fold pre because your hand is bad)

There is a time and place to punish people who are overly aggressive preflop. But you should be holding some sort of hand that can make something (besides the nut low I mean), and you should have a plan before you do it (are you going to x/f flop if called or cbet? when are you going to give up?)

LTU Westham · 05-28-2012, 03:22 AM

Yesterday there was one very annoying villain who went all-in at a rate of 7 pots in 10. I got so tempted to show him "the right way" but I managed to resist.

One of my biggest leaks is that in a lucky pots like (25o - flop 255) I can not stop thinking that maybe I should have tried to see the flop and not fold so quickly. In the end I know that I made the right choice by folding, but I always struggle with those kind of thoughts.

Also, I forget my poor decisions too quickly when I win.

IntrovertGoneWild · 05-28-2012, 06:39 AM

Mine Today? Too many tables, hem hiding something - didn't shove all in with nut flush, only called (he was pot committed).

Oh - and a few bad blind steal chosen cards (eeek)

Faraday · 05-28-2012, 08:42 AM

Playing way too aggro and bluffing all the time at microstakes, even though I know people say play tight, solid abc poker to win at these limits. But that seems to be what everyone else is doing so I keep thinking I need to play LAG to beat them, and it does kind of work, until they have the nuts! or start calling my bluffs with A high or bottom pair :P

(This is at .25NL FR)

chad0x001 · 05-28-2012, 09:01 AM

tilt is definitely still an issue for me "Oh for **** sake!" - end session. I do it less often, feel less bothered by it and for shorter time than I used to, but its till there. work in progress.

calling too much/not understanding that Im beat or at least that it isnt profitable to carry on. I guess Im doing this because I underestimate villains ranges or at least dont think their range through well enough. solution is - Let there be range! (again)

Studebaker Hawk · 05-28-2012, 10:46 AM

Great thread!
I guess my biggest leak is that I can't play poker properly yet!

Anyhow, I certainly recognise OP's leak.
- playing back at aggro villains. I observe them 3betting with A5o, etc, sit there thinking 'he actually thinks that is a good hand'. Bide my time pick my spot and 4bet him with a good hand, he shoves...??? or calls and shoves over my cbet marginal hand. Doesn't take too long before I have donated 20bb here, 60bb there and I'm still thinking 'I'll get him'.
- playing scared money, results orientated. I'm sufficiently bankrolled but scared of losing my winnings, even if it's only 5BI up over 2000 hands, 5BI down over the next 2000.
- never believing 'they have it'. Related to the discussion about river calls. When villain check calls then suddenly donks or raises a brick river I think 'cool bluff bro' but then find they made a set on the flop after all (yet you are supposed to get money in quickly with sets).