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What was villain thinking? What was villain thinking?

09-28-2014 , 05:55 PM
Hi, Please can someone explain to me what villain was thinking here?

I just don't understand how someone owning the table with +300bbs can make such a weird play??

I can only assume, he put me on 67 and thought it would be a split pot if another high card came?? But that seems to me to be insane putting someone on that narrow a range?



    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31091471

    BTN: $14.04 (702 bb)
    Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
    BB: $1.62 (81 bb)
    UTG+1: $0.67 (33.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $1.75 (87.5 bb)
    MP1: $7.33 (366.5 bb)
    MP2: $8.81 (440.5 bb)
    MP3: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
    CO: $2.25 (112.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, BTN folds

    Flop: ($0.38) 8 9 A (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24, MP1 calls $0.24

    Turn: ($1.10) K (3 players)
    Hero bets $1.64 and is all-in, BB folds, MP1 calls $1.64

    River: ($4.38) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.38 pot ($0.15 rake)
    Final Board: 8 9 A K 4
    Hero showed K A and won $4.23 ($2.23 net)
    BB mucked and lost (-$0.36 net)
    MP1 showed 2 4 and lost (-$2 net)



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    09-28-2014 , 06:01 PM
    How do you know he has been owning the table? Might just be a fish who got lucky.
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    09-28-2014 , 06:16 PM
    He was not a fish. Def not. Even a fish wouldn't make that call.
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    09-28-2014 , 06:18 PM
    This is NL2. They aren't thinking. Just clicking buttons...

    This guy was quite literally just clicking buttons.
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    09-28-2014 , 06:21 PM
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    Originally Posted by Zzoop
    He was not a fish. Def not. Even a fish wouldn't make that call.
    Uh... what? ONLY a fish would make that call.

    You will occasionally see this type of hilariously bad call at 2nl. I'll always remember one hand I had when I was just starting out, I was only a small winner at 2nl so big pots were intense for me. I had something like middle set and there was 2 Qs on the board. I'd been potting every street and it came down to about a PSB left on the river. I shipped it in and crossed my fingers that he had something to call with and didn't have Queens full with some silly hand. He tanked for like 30 seconds and called. The ~350bb pot came my way, and I was almost too elated to even look at what he had. Just before the hole cards faded away and the next hand began... I caught a glimpse of his hand. AKo. Complete air. He didn't have a pair nor a draw at any point in the hand and had called off PSBs and eventually his entire ~170BB stack with A high.

    It's utterly pointless to try to surmise what they are thinking when they make the calls. For starters, he's not putting you on a hand. He's not putting you on 67 or 56 or busted diamonds. The absolute most he is doing here is maybe thinking "lel he's bluffing I call." Even that might be a stretch.

    As for how he's "crushing" the table for over 270BB, that's obvious. He's been making these trashcan calls the whole time, and a few times he hit some kind of dumb runner runner flush or trips and stacked the other guy. Not exactly a stretch of the imagination. Clearly he is willing to put his entire stack in the middle with absolutely any hand (since he did it here with 4 high), so it stands to reason that occasionally he's going to suck out for enormous pots a couple times in a row.
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    09-28-2014 , 06:22 PM
    ^^ He didn't have a pair when he called! ^^ He had zero. He was playing the board.
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    09-29-2014 , 07:46 AM
    He was a fish lol!!

    I play a different style to most the posters here and we can all clearly see that this guys play was terrible in so many ways.

    You shouldn't have over bet the turn either fwiw
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    09-29-2014 , 10:43 AM
    He put you on 32
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    09-29-2014 , 12:07 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 <- I think this is was he`s thinking
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    09-29-2014 , 02:48 PM
    He must have been multi-tabling and clicked call on the wrong table.

    I raised and re-raised the nut low hand in a HORSE game once when I hadn't seen the change of game and lost my entire stack. Found it very funny afterwards.
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    09-29-2014 , 02:53 PM
    Maybe he's just a real nice guy who felt a bit bad??
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    09-29-2014 , 08:57 PM
    I've seen some players make a call like this because they thought you were bluffing, not realizing that they cant beat a bluff. They'd stand up and shout "I KNEW YOU WERE BLUFFING!" even if the pot got shipped to you with ace high, as if their call was somehow correct.

    He may also have been on tilt. Maybe he just got sucked out on some other table and was like "**** this guy I want to see what he has".
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    09-29-2014 , 11:44 PM
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    Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
    He put you on 32
    +1 standard call with 42. When you overshove turn you have 3d2d at least 50% of the time. Sometimes he'll get it in even money against 4d2d or get coolered by 5d2d, but you gotta roll with the punches.
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    09-30-2014 , 12:14 AM
    "owning the table with 300bb" - 2NL big stacks are more likely to be fish than not fish. They double up making insane plays and then the odds catch up with them and it all goes horribly wrong.

    In this specific case, it was either a misclick or like javi says, putting you on a bluff without realising that they can't beat a bluff.
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    09-30-2014 , 12:17 AM
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    Originally Posted by Kelarmz
    Uh... what? ONLY a fish would make that call.

    You will occasionally see this type of hilariously bad call at 2nl.
    Yep, my 'WTF' story, I had a set OOP, raised flop, hit quads OTT and bet and then on the river I was thinking what to do, decided to shove and pray the guy had a boat.

    He called with air...I say air, it was lighter than that, let's call it 'helium'. I think it was 9 high. Two players typed 'WTF!' into chat, he was like 'yeah I think I should have folded the river, just had to see what you had'. Really don't worry too much about why when they do something so ridiculous, just make a note to bet big vs. them.
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    09-30-2014 , 12:18 AM
    The famous "I was right, I KNEW you had AK!!!" while turning over T-high.

    Or he may just be trying to be the next TexasLimitKing.
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    09-30-2014 , 01:05 AM
    It looks a lot like a computer/bot playing game theory strategy. On-line poker has been run over by bots and it looks like you found one.


    It could be a person practicing/learning game theory but not likely at $2.
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    09-30-2014 , 03:23 AM
    misclick
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