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What kind of range do you put him on? What kind of range do you put him on?

10-18-2016 , 04:23 PM
I definitely played this hand bad; i don't think it warranted a call on the river. but i'll be honest i didn't expect villan to have the cards he did; what do you do in this spot. any words of advice

partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $0.70 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (CO): $2.00
BTN: $2.83 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
SB: $1.06 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: $2.17 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J 9

UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08, 4 players) 2 2 9
SB checks, BB bets $0.04, UTG calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, fold

Turn: ($0.20, 3 players) 3
BB bets $0.09, UTG calls $0.09, Hero raises to $0.18, BB raises to $0.27, fold, Hero calls $0.09

River: ($0.83, 2 players) Q
BB bets $0.79, Hero calls $0.79

Spoiler:
BB shows 3 2 (Full House, Twos full of Threes)
(Pre 32%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks J 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Twos)
(Pre 68%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
BB wins $2.29
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10-18-2016 , 04:26 PM
raise PF
raise flop with a very vulnerable TP. r/f
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10-18-2016 , 06:13 PM
When he 3-bets the turn, he usually has at least trips. I'd expect to see A2 pretty often, but since it was a limped pot, he can have literally any 2.

This hand kind of illustrates why you shouldn't over limp with middling hands like J9s. Unless you flop the nuts or a nut draw, you can get into very tricky spots with medium-strength pairs. When the BB sees the flop for free, his range is any two cards. His donkbet looks like 9x or 2x, or maybe a pair between 88 and 33. When he barrels, his range gets smaller and stronger. I have no idea why you minraised the turn. Your hand didn't improve, and you're usually way ahead (of random air) or way behind (better 9x, trips, boats). Villain's re-raise shows it's the latter. Fold now if you can, but definitely on the river.
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10-18-2016 , 07:45 PM
Dat turn raise wot
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10-18-2016 , 08:38 PM
After that action, when he pots the river, I put him on 2x mostly.

Pre: I probably raise here and if not, fold.

Flop: OK

Turn: raise is bad, raise sizing is bad. Hard not to call to the min 3bet but I'm mostly giving up OTR.

River: snap fold.
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10-18-2016 , 08:40 PM
Raise preflop is better. Flatting flop is good. Turn raise is criminal. It's pretty close to a fold straight up. You have a guy who has bet two streets into multiple players and a guy who has flatted twice with players behind him, on the completely dry board 229 rainbow. What do you think they have? A 2 or a 9, right? You're miles behind a 2 or A9, K9, Q9 and even if both players have 9s with worse kickers, you will lose if either makes two pair and chop on an A, K or Q river. Call is reasonable because you're laid good odds, but it's very close to a fold.

You can definitely fold the turn reraise. You raised two players on the turn, massively overrepping your hand, and got small reraised. You're beaten 100% of the time.
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10-19-2016 , 06:21 PM
Maybe J9 is not a hand strong enough to raise pre for you, but if you don't and you go see a flop with 3 other players, be wary of any action. Yes, you have top pair, but would smaller pairs call your bets? Let alone bet themselves? Why did you raise the turn? Did you have BB on just a pure bluff? 'cuz that's the only holding you can re-raise here, and once you get re-raised (not even called) then you are SURELY beat here.

You have to think, what hand is giving you so much action? It can't be a pair lower than yours, there has to be more, and you only beat lower pairs.

I see a lot of people do this. Flop top pair, and they bet like nothing's gonna stop them, but you very rarely get action from worse unless you are some crazy maniac who bluffs a lot. If you are reasonably Tag (which you are) and you are still getting action with TP it's probably from a better hand. Even a 9 with a better kicker would out-kick you here, so really why raise turn when no worse hands would call you? And once you did get raised, you have to wonder, how can TPWK be good here? It almost never is, unless the Villain is tilting and is crazy.
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10-19-2016 , 06:36 PM
As for what range I put him on, well, pre-flop since it's a limped pot, anything really. Then once he bet the flop, I'd think all two pairs are in his range, maybe he would flat with small pairs but unlikely so sets are a stretch. There are really no draws to put him on yet, and he would check those anyway. He could have one pair, though he probably would only bet with top pair (better kicker than yours)

He could have just two over-cards but again, would he lead? So the lead removes a lot of air from his range imo.

Then when he bets the turn again, undeterred by the pairing of the board, I'd take top pairs with lower than Jack kickers out of his range (and maybe even with anything but top kicker). Again he'd probably raise with TT-AA pre or if he didn't he wouldnt then lead with them (why disguise pre, then lead post?).

Since the board paired, he could be betting with a 3. Then when re-raises your raise, then his range is pretty much air (very unlikely from his style), Two pairs (which are all boats now) or Trips with a strong kicker.
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10-20-2016 , 09:49 AM
As played: snap fold river. 2EZ
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10-20-2016 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by surefire
Turn: ($0.20, 3 players) 3
BB bets $0.09, UTG calls $0.09, Hero raises to $0.18, BB raises to $0.27, fold, Hero calls $0.09
Is this limit hold em?

At least you played the flop well. Raise or fold preflop, knowing villain is capable of limping 32o raise him with anything playable in position next time. Don't minraise the turn (ever, with any hand) especially with top pair mid kicker. If he is betting for value you hardly beat any of them and if he is bluffing he will just fold. Anything after that should never have happened in the first place but the river is such a clear fold.
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10-20-2016 , 11:31 AM
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i'll be honest i didn't expect villan to have the cards he did
why not? because I'm pretty sure that neither you nor many posters itt read the hand history correctly.
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