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we only hit the flop 33% of the time. what hands include in the 33%? we only hit the flop 33% of the time. what hands include in the 33%?

07-26-2016 , 06:24 PM
we only hit the flop 33% of the time. what hands include in the 33%? does it include gutshot draw, flush draw?

thanks!
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07-26-2016 , 06:35 PM
With two random cards, you make a pair about a third of the time. You hit "something" (e.g. a draw) a fair bit more often than that.
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07-26-2016 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
With two random cards, you make a pair about a third of the time. You hit "something" (e.g. a draw) a fair bit more often than that.
odd of floping a pair is 26.939%
odd of floping trips is 1.347%
odd of floping a flush draw is 10.944%

so to get if we want to know odd of floping something on the flop(pair, trips, flush draw, gutshot) we just add all the number together?

so odd of floping pair and flush draw is 26.939%+10.944%?

and odd of floping a trips, pair and flush draw is 26.939%+10.944%+1.347%?

Am I thinking right? thanks bud
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07-26-2016 , 09:34 PM
AA "hits the flop" 100% of the time
22 "flops a pair" 100% of the time

Stop throwing around random statistics that need qualification to be meaningful
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07-26-2016 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
AA "hits the flop" 100% of the time
22 "flops a pair" 100% of the time

Stop throwing around random statistics that need qualification to be meaningful
just want to know what's the odd of floping all kind of playable hands...
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07-26-2016 , 10:19 PM
"all kinds"? 100%. Any flop is "playable" under some circumstances.
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07-27-2016 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
"all kinds"? 100%. Any flop is "playable" under some circumstances.
do u know about non pair hand? thanks
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07-27-2016 , 02:37 AM
nexone, you're getting seemingly unhelpful answers because you've asked a question that doesn't necessarily have a useful answer...at least not in any meaningful way that we can apply to our poker games.


Let me ask you this, if the answer was "32.45%", what would you do with that information? (yes, I just made a number up)
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07-27-2016 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
AA "hits the flop" 100% of the time
22 "flops a pair" 100% of the time
Solid stat !
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07-27-2016 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
nexone, you're getting seemingly unhelpful answers because you've asked a question that doesn't necessarily have a useful answer..
Or because it's easier to be snarky than to be helpful.

OP, you should check out a program called Flopzilla. It takes preflop ranges and then shows how the range interacts on the sum of all flops, or on specific flops. So if we take a range of exactly AKo and see how it flops overall, Flopzilla gives the following output:



So Flopzilla says AKo will 'hit' 33.7% of the time (bottom right of image). The red ticks indicate what is counting as a hit: top pair or better, as well as good draws like the one-card nut flush draw.
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07-27-2016 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FalseProfit
Or because it's easier to be snarky than to be helpful.

OP, you should check out a program called Flopzilla. It takes preflop ranges and then shows how the range interacts on the sum of all flops, or on specific flops. So if we take a range of exactly AKo and see how it flops overall, Flopzilla gives the following output:



So Flopzilla says AKo will 'hit' 33.7% of the time (bottom right of image). The red ticks indicate what is counting as a hit: top pair or better, as well as good draws like the one-card nut flush draw.
thanks bro, will check out this softwear.
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07-27-2016 , 10:06 AM
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Flopzilla gives 32.8% for cumulative pair or better, but the above include some other 'hits' like one-card NFD.

Unfortunately Flopzilla can't/won't show combos when you haven't selected a specific flop, so I can't easily work out exactly what some of the weird draw flops it's adding are, but that is where the extra fraction of a percent is coming from.

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07-27-2016 , 10:32 AM
After posting, I guessed that was the reason so I deleted the post.
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07-27-2016 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by statmanhal
After posting, I guessed that was the reason so I deleted the post.
No worries, just figured I'd leave the response in case someone else had a similar question.

Off topic, but I've been rebuilding some poker spreadsheets after some time away, and your various posts on 2+2 have been of tremendous help, so thanks.
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07-27-2016 , 05:59 PM
There's also a feature in HEM that will show you what hand strengths you flop/turn/river with the actual range that you've been playing, and you can select actions to see what your range looks like on different streets given specific action sequences. (e.g. you can see what your triple-barrel range looks like).

From my latest (small) database, my 6-max range looks like this on the flop:



Your mileage may vary, as it depends how loose/tight you play, and how well you're running with regard to card distribution. Ubernits, for example, tend to nearly always have at least a pair on the flop. Whales tend to have more air.
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