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09-23-2016 , 10:06 AM
How do you guys define top X% of hands? For instance, what is a "best" top 10% of hands between these...

Range 1: 77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo
Range 2: 55+,A9s+,KQs,ATo+
Range 3: 55+,A8s+,ATo+
Range 4: 66+,A8s+,ATo+,KQs
Range 5: 66+,A9s+,ATo+,KJs+

Thoughts? Cheers.
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09-23-2016 , 11:31 AM
It depends entirely how one defines “good.” Listed below is something I found some time ago. I think the source was the HoldemViewer web site:

2-way Equity (Heads-up) ranks hands according to their equity against a random hand.
3-way Equity ranks hands according to their equity against two random hands.
4-way Equity (PokerStove) ranks hands according to their equity against three random hands.
Bloch, Call ranks hands according to the big blind's action in Andy Bloch's jam-fold game (The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition).
Bloch, Jam ranks hands according to the small blind's action in Andy Bloch's jam-fold game (The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition).
Domination, Defensive ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations that dominate them.
Domination, Offensive ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations they dominate.
Domination, Net ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations they dominate minus the number of hand combinations that dominate them.
Hellmuth Groups ranks hands according to the groups defined by Phil Hellmuth (How to Play Poker Like the Pros).
High Card ranks hands by their highest card, with suited hands taking precedence over offsuit hands.
High Card, Pair First ranks hands by their highest card, and pairs precede all distinct hands.
NoFoldem ranks hands according to their winning percentages when played to showdown with no action at a 10-handed table. [Source]
ProPokerTools ranks hands according to an evolutionary simulation described by Billings, Davidson, Schaeffer, and Szafron and implemented by ProPokerTools.com. [Source]
Real-play Statistics (PokerRoom.com) ranks hands according to statistics of real play gathered by PokerRoom.com. [Source]
Sample 6-max Cash Groups ranks hands according to a typical tight-aggressive short-handed No Limit Holdem range grouped by positional ranges.
SAGE Groups ranks hands according to their SAGE power index, developed by James Kittock and Lee Jones. [Source]
Sklansky-Chubukov (a.k.a. Karlson-Sklansky) ranks hands according to a jam-fold game developed by David Sklansky and Chubukov (No Limit Hold'Em: Theory and Practice). [Source]
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups ranks hands according to starting hand groups developed by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth (Hold'Em Poker for Advanced Players).
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups Adjusted ranks hands according to a modified version of Sklansky-Malmuth starting hand groups. [Source]
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups Adjusted, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
Tanaka Groups ranks hands according to Tanaka's no limit modification of Sklansky-Malmuth starting hand groups. [Source]
Tanaka Groups, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
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09-25-2016 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by statmanhal
It depends entirely how one defines “good.” Listed below is something I found some time ago. I think the source was the HoldemViewer web site:

2-way Equity (Heads-up) ranks hands according to their equity against a random hand.
3-way Equity ranks hands according to their equity against two random hands.
4-way Equity (PokerStove) ranks hands according to their equity against three random hands.
Bloch, Call ranks hands according to the big blind's action in Andy Bloch's jam-fold game (The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition).
Bloch, Jam ranks hands according to the small blind's action in Andy Bloch's jam-fold game (The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition).
Domination, Defensive ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations that dominate them.
Domination, Offensive ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations they dominate.
Domination, Net ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations they dominate minus the number of hand combinations that dominate them.
Hellmuth Groups ranks hands according to the groups defined by Phil Hellmuth (How to Play Poker Like the Pros).
High Card ranks hands by their highest card, with suited hands taking precedence over offsuit hands.
High Card, Pair First ranks hands by their highest card, and pairs precede all distinct hands.
NoFoldem ranks hands according to their winning percentages when played to showdown with no action at a 10-handed table. [Source]
ProPokerTools ranks hands according to an evolutionary simulation described by Billings, Davidson, Schaeffer, and Szafron and implemented by ProPokerTools.com. [Source]
Real-play Statistics (PokerRoom.com) ranks hands according to statistics of real play gathered by PokerRoom.com. [Source]
Sample 6-max Cash Groups ranks hands according to a typical tight-aggressive short-handed No Limit Holdem range grouped by positional ranges.
SAGE Groups ranks hands according to their SAGE power index, developed by James Kittock and Lee Jones. [Source]
Sklansky-Chubukov (a.k.a. Karlson-Sklansky) ranks hands according to a jam-fold game developed by David Sklansky and Chubukov (No Limit Hold'Em: Theory and Practice). [Source]
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups ranks hands according to starting hand groups developed by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth (Hold'Em Poker for Advanced Players).
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups Adjusted ranks hands according to a modified version of Sklansky-Malmuth starting hand groups. [Source]
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups Adjusted, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
Tanaka Groups ranks hands according to Tanaka's no limit modification of Sklansky-Malmuth starting hand groups. [Source]
Tanaka Groups, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
dayum!!! didnt know there were so many possiblities
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09-25-2016 , 06:13 PM
Sometimes I wish there was a like button on 2+2
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09-26-2016 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by statmanhal
It depends entirely how one defines “good.” Listed below is something I found some time ago. I think the source was the HoldemViewer web site:

2-way Equity (Heads-up) ranks hands according to their equity against a random hand.
3-way Equity ranks hands according to their equity against two random hands.
4-way Equity (PokerStove) ranks hands according to their equity against three random hands.
Bloch, Call ranks hands according to the big blind's action in Andy Bloch's jam-fold game (The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition).
Bloch, Jam ranks hands according to the small blind's action in Andy Bloch's jam-fold game (The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition).
Domination, Defensive ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations that dominate them.
Domination, Offensive ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations they dominate.
Domination, Net ranks hands according to the number of hand combinations they dominate minus the number of hand combinations that dominate them.
Hellmuth Groups ranks hands according to the groups defined by Phil Hellmuth (How to Play Poker Like the Pros).
High Card ranks hands by their highest card, with suited hands taking precedence over offsuit hands.
High Card, Pair First ranks hands by their highest card, and pairs precede all distinct hands.
NoFoldem ranks hands according to their winning percentages when played to showdown with no action at a 10-handed table. [Source]
ProPokerTools ranks hands according to an evolutionary simulation described by Billings, Davidson, Schaeffer, and Szafron and implemented by ProPokerTools.com. [Source]
Real-play Statistics (PokerRoom.com) ranks hands according to statistics of real play gathered by PokerRoom.com. [Source]
Sample 6-max Cash Groups ranks hands according to a typical tight-aggressive short-handed No Limit Holdem range grouped by positional ranges.
SAGE Groups ranks hands according to their SAGE power index, developed by James Kittock and Lee Jones. [Source]
Sklansky-Chubukov (a.k.a. Karlson-Sklansky) ranks hands according to a jam-fold game developed by David Sklansky and Chubukov (No Limit Hold'Em: Theory and Practice). [Source]
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups ranks hands according to starting hand groups developed by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth (Hold'Em Poker for Advanced Players).
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups Adjusted ranks hands according to a modified version of Sklansky-Malmuth starting hand groups. [Source]
Sklansky-Malmuth Groups Adjusted, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
Tanaka Groups ranks hands according to Tanaka's no limit modification of Sklansky-Malmuth starting hand groups. [Source]
Tanaka Groups, Ordered ranks hands with the same groups as its unordered counterpart except it retains the original order specified by its authors.
So, which hand is better, AKs or QQ?
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09-26-2016 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove
So, which hand is better, AKs or QQ?
Depends.

I assume you know how to use Google, Bing, etc. Then you will be able to see some of the above rankings, in addition to others. You can use "starting hand poker rankings" as one search criterion.
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