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03-26-2017 , 11:53 AM
SNG - 50/100 blinds

SB: 5132 (51.3 bb)
BB: 1675 (16.8 bb)
EP: 1785 (17.9 bb)
CO: 1260 (12.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): 1,402 (14 bb)

SB was playing loose pre-flop, raising a lot of hands.

Preflop: Hero is on the BTN with KT
EP raises to 200, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: (700) 2QK
SB checks, EP checks, Hero bets 400, SB check-raises to 800, EP folds, Hero folds.


I'm thinking I made a really bad fold here. I have top pair - middle kicker with KT. The hands that beat me include AA, KK, QQ, AK but I think he would have most likely 3-bet those hands pre-flop, not to mention I block KK and AK.

What hands could he possibly be holding that would beat my hand, in relation to his betting line? Is it normal to check-raise with bottom set?

Could he possibly be on a draw?
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03-26-2017 , 12:18 PM
I would fold preflop. KTo isn't really strong enough to call against an EP open, even five handed. I want a hand with better high card strength or a pair that I could re-raise with to fold out the blinds and play HU with EP, or a hand that plays better multi-way to flat call with.

As played, I'd probably fold the flop too. I think that SB can have a lot of strong draws and/or pairs with weak/backdoor draws here, so even if you currently have the best hand you have pretty bad reverse implied odds against SB's range.
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03-26-2017 , 02:03 PM
fold pre
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03-27-2017 , 05:51 AM
Fold pre

As played I just jam it in. You have 800 behind and 1900 in the pot with top pair and backdoor draws.
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03-27-2017 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nattiecat
I would fold preflop. KTo isn't really strong enough to call against an EP open, even five handed. I want a hand with better high card strength or a pair that I could re-raise with to fold out the blinds and play HU with EP, or a hand that plays better multi-way to flat call with.

As played, I'd probably fold the flop too. I think that SB can have a lot of strong draws and/or pairs with weak/backdoor draws here, so even if you currently have the best hand you have pretty bad reverse implied odds against SB's range.
As played, you're way too committed to fold this. You have 8bb left, you have to get it in.

Easy fold pre though.
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03-27-2017 , 05:52 PM
Haven't read any responses:

Fold pre-flop.

If you call pre-flop, then on the flop I might bet a little smaller than 400. After sb raises, shove all-in. You can't flop top pair with 1200 left in your stack and 700 in the pot and fold.



EDIT:

Read responses now:


Quote:
Originally Posted by nattiecat
I would fold preflop. KTo isn't really strong enough to call against an EP open, even five handed. I want a hand with better high card strength or a pair that I could re-raise with to fold out the blinds and play HU with EP, or a hand that plays better multi-way to flat call with.

As played, I'd probably fold the flop too. I think that SB can have a lot of strong draws and/or pairs with weak/backdoor draws here, so even if you currently have the best hand you have pretty bad reverse implied odds against SB's range.

At the decision point hero has 800 chips in his stack and the pot is 1900 chips. There are no reverse implied odds. There are no implied odds either. The hand should be all-in right here.
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03-27-2017 , 06:11 PM
Thanks for the feedback on my reply, everybody.
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03-27-2017 , 07:03 PM
Fold pre. Villain has a lot of low fds and there's the 16 J10 combos. I think he rarely has a set here. It's not really a spot in which you need to worry about an equity calculation though as you have 8bbs and TPGK. Folding is out of the question.
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03-27-2017 , 08:07 PM
OP, you need to learn some basic short-stack strategy. Once you're below 20bb, you shouldn't do much calling pre-flop except in some special situations (usually when you're in the BB) that are too detailed to go into right now.
Below 15bb, you're better off going into a shove or fold strategy until you've developed your post-flop skills. KT isn't even a good call pre with much deeper stacks. It's a really tricky hand that puts you in tricky spots like the one you found yourself in here. When you've got 14bb in a SNG, you've got better candidates for 3-bet jamming with, which makes this hand a clear fold pre.

Flop should probably be a check back. As played, jam. Since you've got almost half your stack in and you have top pair, you can't fold and wait for a better spot.
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03-28-2017 , 05:58 AM
Yep .. AP you have 40% of your stack in there ... gotta cross fingers for AsQx/draw here.

Facing an EP raise this is a fold. Even if you do shove, who's calling? You are behind all Ax and pp and 'sort of ' flipping and probably crushed by any Kx hand. More comfortable shoving KQ here ... but there are charts out there. GL
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03-28-2017 , 09:55 AM
Thanks for the replies, people. Will look more into short stack strategy.
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