Hi,

I've recently started playing 10nl zoom on my phone which is really convenient but the absence of a hud after playing 190k hands with one is giving me trouble.

I'm basically just less sure in a lot of spots due to not having stats on villains, has anyone made a similar transition to playing hudless? If so how did you adjust?

Thanks

My tip: Dont do it.

Not only because of the HUD, but i assume you play on your phone because you want to play in places where you cant use your laptop. That probably doesnt make them very suitable to play poker anyway Im guessing your phone screen doesnt have the space to tile a lot of tables either

I'm one tabling zoom so tiling isn't an issue. I've got hm2 on my desktop at home and I'm away with work quite a bit so if I want to play it's going to be on the phone for the time being.

Here's some things I'm doing pre flop -
- Open raising quite wide from the last 4 positions (FR)
- 3 betting light a lot less
- only calling 3bets in position with TT+
- playing very tightly out of the blinds

Post flop I'm not bluffing and focusing on value betting, I know from reading the forums that some good players prefer to go hudless and play less tables.

Don't do these two things together. If you do, I went ahead and searched for some suggestions for your new avatar at the table:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...93.t1cikxxqgZI

...because that's what you'll be to anyone using a HUD that has a decent sample on you.

Lol. Any other suggestions?

It isn't difficult to play without a HUD. Playing with a HUD is essentially cheating anyway and not the way poker was meant to be played. Just take notes on people, make basic population assumptions until proven otherwise.

Most of the hands I've played since about September last year have been HUDless.
I got back into taking notes (which I suppose isn't an option for you on a phone) but I also play a completely different style to how I used to play. I miss out on some exploitative plays, but I have more time to think about how to play my ranges if I'm not poring over HUD pop-ups looking at largely meaningless sample-sizes.

Now there's are man in need of a conversation...

Yeah. Pay attention to everything that goes on, even the hands you're not involved in. Treat it like a live game. If you're trying to take it seriously, you may want to have something handy you can jot down notes in, and you can add the notes to your database when you get back to your computer.

Thanks. I've actually started doing this over the last few days and I'm trying to slow down and think more before I enter a pot.

I was actually getting a bit spewey over the last few weeks...

WTF lol

That's your opinion.IMO I don't see anything wrong to have data on a program (that same data that is available for everyone),you're just using and applying it in a better way by using a HUD.

And anyone can use a HUD.

Im playing on bovada which means no hud. I just pay close attention to whats going on in every hand how often a player is playing hands how many they are winning ect. Also pay attention to bet sizing ect even when not involved. Its been paying off for me so far. Im only playing one table when i play right now i dont really think multi tabling hudless will be as profitable in the long run at least for me.

HUD=nerd

Thank you for your valuable input

HUDs are expensive and make everyone not using HUD disadvantaged.

If 100$ on a HUD is a problem for you, you shouldn't be playing poker anyway.

totally

truuuuueeee (2chainz voice)

Hell yeah,I'm a journeyman now fellas.I'm awesome.

BTW,I understand that who pay for a HUD will have an advantage over the guy who doesn't have it, but the guy is PAYING to have that advantage.You have the opportunity to do so,also.Everyone have the chance to buy one.If you were a ****ing machine you could have all the numbers a HUD show you,just needed some close attention to all your tables. That would reduce multitabling, making it nearly impossible.That's unattractive to fish.Why not show all known information on a software, called HUD?

You're not at disadvantage when you don't have a HUD, you're just 100$ richer.

Another tip for playing HUDless, the best one so far im sure !:

Play on unibet. They have super low rake and noone can use a HUD so you dont disadvantage yourself and you play against more fish.

Agreed. There are actually benefits to playing hudless. One of the biggest is that inexperienced players tend to draw too strong of conclusions based on small samples. The second is that concentrating on gameflow can really help you play better. OP is playing zoom, so some of that goes away. Sadly.
This is a fundamentally silly viewpoint. HUDs are legal on Stars. Anyone who wants can have one. This is like saying "tennis was meant to be played with wooden rackets" or something equally wrong. You can prefer live poker to online, that's reasonable. You can say that playing with a HUD on a site that bans them is cheating, because it is. However, making a blanket statement that an explicitly allowed tool is cheating is just saying "smokybacon gets to decide write and wrong based on his/her own whim". Poker wasn't meant to be played any certain way, and online is different than live. Hate HUD? Go play on a site where they don't work. Despite what you're saying, you don't get to decide that HUD = cheating on your own.
Honestly, this is great advice even if you have a HUD. People playing with them should consider playing without and working on this skill. Again, zoom kind of crushes the intent because you're missing info from hands you fold.

I love Unibet. Snap on 888 is also HUDless.

Having played on Cake when it was theoretically HUDless, but in reality fully HUD for people who knew how, be aware you can give up an edge if the site doesn't pull it off. If you care about such things, take full advantage of changing SNs, if that helps on the site (I believe on Cake it didn't). Just because someone has a marketing bullet doesn't mean they solved the world's problems. Bodog seems to have done so with anonymous tables, but no idea how one 888 skin does it or if Unibet did it well.

Online poker can = buyer be careful.