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05-25-2017 , 03:18 PM
As his range consists of no pairs, I'm happy to jam with a pair and the dead money in there. If his range does actually contain pairs, even just the ones that beat us, we win enough from the times we get a fold and the times we're flipping to offset the 80/20s we're behind in
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05-26-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kysg
I guess as an example for a HUSNG with blinds at 100/200
Hero: 4000
Villain(btn): 8100

So let's say I have 7(d)7(h)
Villain raises 3x bb to make pot 700
Villain is a LAG and we put him on range AKs - QTo
Firstly, if he opens for 3x, that's considered to include the SB he was forced to put in. A standard open at those stack depths would be a minraise (400) or 2.5x (500). Making it 700 would be laughably big.

Is "AKs-QTo" supposed to be his calling range, or his opening range, and why didn't you include any pairs? 20bb deep in a HUSNG, even a nitty villain is opening about 50% of hands. A LAG would open almost any two, and you can jam hands like 77 because he'll fold a lot of the time (so you pick up the blinds and his open) and you're better than flipping if he calls with 66+, any ace, any two suited Broadways, KJo+, QJo. (55+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A2o+,KJo+,QJo is 23.5% of hands, so if he opens wide like 85%, and only calls with those hands, he's very exploitable).
If he calls tight, you make more of your money from fold equity, and 77 will lose when called because of the pairs that dominate it. If he opens 60% of hands for that large sizing and then folds more than 50% of the time, it's profitable for you to 3-bet jam a very wide range (close to any two). If he calls wider, 77 will be flipping more often and its equity will decline. You're in better shape with "big cards" if he calls very often.

Get a free equity calculator (e.g. Equilab) so you can see the equity calcs yourself. Once you've got the basics down, if you're serious about studying SNG strategy, you need to get ICMizer, SNGWizard, or a subscription to Holdem Resources.
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05-26-2017 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Firstly, if he opens for 3x, that's considered to include the SB he was forced to put in. A standard open at those stack depths would be a minraise (400) or 2.5x (500). Making it 700 would be laughably big.

Is "AKs-QTo" supposed to be his calling range, or his opening range, and why didn't you include any pairs? 20bb deep in a HUSNG, even a nitty villain is opening about 50% of hands. A LAG would open almost any two, and you can jam hands like 77 because he'll fold a lot of the time (so you pick up the blinds and his open) and you're better than flipping if he calls with 66+, any ace, any two suited Broadways, KJo+, QJo. (55+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A2o+,KJo+,QJo is 23.5% of hands, so if he opens wide like 85%, and only calls with those hands, he's very exploitable).
If he calls tight, you make more of your money from fold equity, and 77 will lose when called because of the pairs that dominate it. If he opens 60% of hands for that large sizing and then folds more than 50% of the time, it's profitable for you to 3-bet jam a very wide range (close to any two). If he calls wider, 77 will be flipping more often and its equity will decline. You're in better shape with "big cards" if he calls very often.

Get a free equity calculator (e.g. Equilab) so you can see the equity calcs yourself. Once you've got the basics down, if you're serious about studying SNG strategy, you need to get ICMizer, SNGWizard, or a subscription to Holdem Resources.
It is laughably big but it's micros, laughably big raises happen a lot. I will concede naivete here for not including pairs, but like both of you said apparently it doesn't seem to matter....

I got driveHUD and it has an equity calculator in there, just need to practice it for a few days.

can try icmizer/sngwiz/hrc if I ever get decent at determining ranges because if your atrocious at that these tools won't help you at all...

I'm gonna focus on reading these
crushing online sit and gos
sit and go strategy
psychology of poker

that should be enough to get me going along with several videos off drag the bar or some other site for sngplay.

1. Anyone have any excel sheets to make a graph to check ROI? DriveHud doesn't export the graph.
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05-30-2017 , 08:52 PM
What is a good ROI for $1 and 2$ sng's?
or what would be considered a good winrate?
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05-31-2017 , 03:42 PM
a positive one
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06-01-2017 , 12:39 AM
d'oh....some example numbers may be of better help.
and 1/bb isn't super helpful...
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06-01-2017 , 12:24 PM
Pretty sure you shouldn't be open limping hands like a9 suited early in a sitngo because you get in situations like that where someone raises you call, and now you're playing a somewhat big pot against a representatively big hand and cbet when you mostly just want to survive to the push fold stage.

Not related, but OP, do you know what the independent chip model is?

I'd recommend reading the STT forum/faq hopefully it has some of this fairly basic stuff (like the ICM model) covered there.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/ is the link for the single table strategy forum...note ICM considerations (ie. how play is influenced by the payout structure) is different for single table tournaments where 60% of the prize pool is paid out simply by making it to the final 3 players (the bubble effect), and MTT sitngos. HU sngs have no bubble effects.

Last edited by rakemeplz; 06-01-2017 at 12:30 PM.
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06-01-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rakemeplz
Pretty sure you shouldn't be open limping hands like a9 suited early in a sitngo because you get in situations like that where someone raises you call, and now you're playing a somewhat big pot against a representatively big hand and cbet when you mostly just want to survive to the push fold stage.

Not related, but OP, do you know what the independent chip model is?

I'd recommend reading the STT forum/faq hopefully it has some of this fairly basic stuff (like the ICM model) covered there.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/ is the link for the single table strategy forum...note ICM considerations (ie. how play is influenced by the payout structure) is different for single table tournaments where 60% of the prize pool is paid out simply by making it to the final 3 players (the bubble effect), and MTT sitngos. HU sngs have no bubble effects.
ICM is on the list of things to attempt to learn and fail at. Along with math,theory, equity, etc.

since we are at might as well tear that hand apart.

Poker HUD & Database

NL Holdem $-20(BB)
BTN ($1446)
SB ($1415)
BB ($1394)
UTG ($1440)
EP ($1355)
MP ($1380)
HERO ($1610)
HJ ($1160)
CO ($2300)

Dealt to Hero A 9

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP Folds, HERO Calls $20 (Rem. Stack: 1590), HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $65 (Rem. Stack: 1381), SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $45 (Rem. Stack: 1545)

Flop ($160) A J A
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $120 (Rem. Stack: 1261), HERO Raises To $360 (Rem. Stack: 1185), BTN Calls $240 (Rem. Stack: 1021)

Turn ($880) A J A T
HERO Bets $440 (Rem. Stack: 745), BTN Folds

HERO wins $1320

This is the cheaper stage at 10/20. We could bring up ICM and say you gain nothing here, but ICM only works if I get all my chips in during the hand at that particular instance.

I'm in MP2 so this isn't exactly early or late, I believe this hand is wide just enough to make a LAG call, a TAG would throw this out. Yep, I got raised by the btn, and I chose to flat call. I just see it one of two ways.

a. fold and lose the dead money
b. call and pay to see the flop. 45 chips to call. 2.2:1 pot odds. Button could be raising fairly wide we learn that answer on the flop.

EDIT: did poker stove calcs preflop
vs btn's 25% range I'm 52%
vs btn's 12% range I'm 42%

so unless he raises with top 15% range...which btn's tend to raise wide.

flop: I check away due to hitting trips, I expect a cbet his bet of $120 which is 6xbb is a bit daunting but it's only a little higher than half the pot.

but you know what I'm gonna do some poker stove calcs and see how this goes down.

so A9s(d) vs 30% of btn's range I'm an 83% fav.
A9s(d) vs 18% of btn's range I'm 78% fav.
A9s(d) vs 10% of btn's range Im 75% fav.
A9s(d) vs 4% of btn's range I'm 71% fav.

I would like to include ICM calc here but I'm not dumping all my chips into the hand.

ok 71% even vs top 4%...
There are only 5 hands that beat me outright
AK/AQ/AJ/AT/JJ

With his bet I have to be better than 28% of the time to call.
Have about 6 outs

2.3 - pot odds.

The EV to make the call is 13.2 this is a rough calc.

I raise by 360 which is 3x bb, this gave in roughly 2.7 - 1 odds.

he called...which leads to the turn.

I bet half the pot.

I checked and am about 58% even vs 4% of his range. I suppose at this point btn gave up.

Beyond that...I suck at this.
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