n00b here, I suck at SNG's and NL micro limit in general.

goal: want to grind SNG's to get out of micros
stakes: 3$ triple up/1$ 9ring/1$ hyper turbos

room: Ignition
Have I won at all? : yes, but definitely have lost way more than I won. Feels good winning those 9 bucks only to lose it 2 hours later...

I have given up on HUSNG for NL.

leaks: keep running into made hands...I'm not sure I feel like it should be obvious that I should fold but for some stupid reason I keep calling.
overvalue AK
still too passive
recent issues: failing at the bubble busting out on all in when I clearly beat.

well guess all I can ask is this...
Any good books: read the colin moshman book, just wondering what else I can try to read.

will coaching fix these issues?

How to create a graph to track results? for ROI and all that stuff.

Or should I just give up SNG's and move onto another game like FLHE or PLO?

post hands

I'll try to post some over weekend. Made it into the money 2nd place but still that is breakeven money on a $1 SNG... and this was after busting out another 3 times...

For tracking your results you could try Pokertracker for free, or find yourself on Sharkscope.

Then: there are plenty of sources out there to improve your sng game. To be honest: googling will give you enough material to keep you busy for a while. Also make sure you check out the stickies in the sng sub forum.

Good luck! :-)

I built my first online bankroll from playing those 'Triple up' SNGs back on Bovada. The key was to maintain enough of a chip stack to get close to the bubble. You don't need to be chip leader or table captain. Players drop quick when you get to 5 or 6 players left. It seemed like the overall skill level of players didn't change until I moved up to the $25 triple ups. Also, check out Sit and go planet. They have a four part email course that had a lot of advice that can be applied to that format.

Don't know if still applicable, but I'm sure it is in small stakes, but I would read Colin moshman. Keep a nash push fold chart on your table

I play these daily and they typically make up most of my bankroll. Play very tight and avoid all in's early. Loosen up around 5-6 players and become more aggressive as the blinds go up and antes come into play. If there are still 8 players left, I wouldn't go crazy with AK and risk an all in. Let the crowd thin themselves.


I would also honestly get rid of the hypers and turbos until your winning at regular speed.

Cheat.

@spewtarddeluxe
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@Pocket44s
easier said than done. I have won $1 hyper turbos...will probably drop them as I move up.

@kiderino
read book, are you talking about the tables in the back of the book?

@NMgrind3r
-need to look into sit and go planet

@royalhd
don't think sharkscope covers ignition. Pokertracker for free? Do you mean the trial??

Here are hand for review.
The converter didn't work...not sure why...
Hope this is not confusing.

Hand 1
3527884819 Had question about small blind raising to 700 I am assuming that is typical? Does that always indicate top 1% hand?
Ignition Hand #3527884819: HOLDEM Tournament #18105552 TBL#1, No Limit- Level 1 (10/20) - 2017-05-13 23:11:05
Seat 4: UTG+2 (1,500 in chips)
Seat 1: UTG+3 (1,520 in chips)
Seat 9: UTG+4 [ME] (1,400 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG+5 (1,900 in chips)
Seat 8: Dealer (1,300 in chips)
Seat 2: Small Blind (1,480 in chips)
Seat 6: Big Blind (1,500 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG (1,500 in chips)
Seat 7: UTG+1 (1,400 in chips)
Dealer : Set dealer [5]
Small Blind : Small blind 10
Big Blind : Big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
UTG+2 : Card dealt to a spot [3h 8c]
UTG+3 : Card dealt to a spot [9d Qh]
UTG+4 [ME] : Card dealt to a spot [5h 6c]
UTG+5 : Card dealt to a spot [Ac Ks]
Dealer : Card dealt to a spot [5s 7d]
Small Blind : Card dealt to a spot [Kd Kc]
Big Blind : Card dealt to a spot [Ad 4s]
UTG : Card dealt to a spot [Ts 7c]
UTG+1 : Card dealt to a spot [Kh 5d]
UTG : Folds
UTG+1 : Folds
UTG+2 : Folds
UTG+3 : Call 20
UTG+4 [ME] : Folds
UTG+5 : Raises 90 to 90
Dealer : Folds
Small Blind : Raises 710 to 720
Big Blind : Folds
UTG+3 : Folds
UTG+5 : Raises 1260 to 1350
Small Blind : All-in(raise) 760 to 1480
UTG+5 : Call 130
*** FLOP *** [8d Jc 6d]
*** TURN *** [8d Jc 6d] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [8d Jc 6d 6s] [2h]
UTG+5 : Showdown [6s 6d Ac Ks Jc] (One pair)
Small Blind : Showdown [Kd Kc 6s 6d Jc] (Two pair)
Small Blind : Hand Result 3000
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(3000)
Board [8d Jc 6d 6s 2h]
Seat+4: UTG+2 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+1: UTG+3 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+9: UTG+4 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+5: UTG+5 lose with One pair [Ac Ks-6s 6d Ac Ks Jc]
Seat+8: Dealer Folded on the FLOP
Seat+2: Small Blind 3000 with Two pair [Kd Kc-Kd Kc 6s 6d Jc]
Seat+6: Big Blind Folded on the FLOP
Seat+3: UTG Folded on the FLOP
Seat+7: UTG+1 Folded on the FLOP


Hand 2
3527882367 AK, bluffed out of pot
Ignition Hand #3527882367: HOLDEM Tournament #18105552 TBL#1, No Limit- Level 1 (10/20) - 2017-05-13 23:05:47
Seat 4: UTG+5 (1,500 in chips)
Seat 1: Dealer (1,500 in chips)
Seat 9: Small Blind [ME] (1,500 in chips)
Seat 5: Big Blind (1,500 in chips)
Seat 8: UTG (1,500 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG+1 (1,500 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG+2 (1,500 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG+3 (1,500 in chips)
Seat 7: UTG+4 (1,500 in chips)
UTG : Table enter user
Small Blind [ME] : Table enter user
UTG+3 : Table enter user
Big Blind : Table enter user
UTG+1 : Table enter user
UTG+5 : Draw for dealer [2h]
Dealer : Draw for dealer [Ts]
Small Blind [ME] : Draw for dealer [6s]
Big Blind : Draw for dealer [9h]
UTG : Draw for dealer [8d]
UTG+1 : Draw for dealer [2d]
UTG+2 : Draw for dealer [3d]
UTG+3 : Draw for dealer [9s]
UTG+4 : Draw for dealer [Th]
Dealer : Set dealer [2]
Small Blind [ME] : Small blind 10
Big Blind : Big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
UTG+5 : Card dealt to a spot [7s 2h]
Dealer : Card dealt to a spot [3c 8s]
Small Blind [ME] : Card dealt to a spot [Kd Ah]
Big Blind : Card dealt to a spot [Ad 7h]
UTG : Card dealt to a spot [6c 8d]
UTG+1 : Card dealt to a spot [Qd Ts]
UTG+2 : Card dealt to a spot [4s 9d]
UTG+3 : Card dealt to a spot [Ks Qs]
UTG+4 : Card dealt to a spot [4h 6d]
UTG+2 : Table enter user
UTG : Folds
UTG+4 : Table enter user
Dealer : Table enter user
UTG+1 : Folds
UTG+2 : Folds
UTG+5 : Table enter user
UTG+3 : Sit out
UTG+3 : Folds(timeout)
UTG+4 : Folds
UTG+5 : Sit out
UTG+5 : Folds(timeout)
Dealer : Call 20
Small Blind [ME] : Raises 50 to 60
Big Blind : Call 40
Dealer : Call 40
*** FLOP *** [8c 9h 5s]
Small Blind [ME] : Bets 20
Big Blind : Call 20
Dealer : Raises 120 to 120
Small Blind [ME] : Folds
Big Blind : Call 100
*** TURN *** [8c 9h 5s] [4d]
Big Blind : Checks
Dealer : Bets 140
Big Blind : Call 140
*** RIVER *** [8c 9h 5s 4d] [Ac]
Big Blind : Bets 120
Dealer : Call 120
Big Blind : Showdown [Ad Ac 9h 8c 7h] (One pair)
UTG+3 : Re-join
Dealer : Mucks [3c 8s] (One pair)
Big Blind : Hand Result 960
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(960)
Board [8c 9h 5s 4d Ac]
Seat+4: UTG+5 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+1: Dealer [Mucked] [3c 8s ]
Seat+9: Small Blind Folded on the FLOP
Seat+5: Big Blind 960 with One pair [Ad 7h-Ad Ac 9h 8c 7h]
Seat+8: UTG Folded on the FLOP
Seat+2: UTG+1 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+6: UTG+2 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+3: UTG+3 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+7: UTG+4 Folded on the FLOP



Hand 3
3527887581 77, CO - typical issue stuck in multi-way pot.
Ignition Hand #3527887581: HOLDEM Tournament #18105552 TBL#1, No Limit- Level 2 (15/30) - 2017-05-13 23:17:29
Seat 4: UTG+2 (995 in chips)
Seat 1: UTG+3 (1,700 in chips)
Seat 9: UTG+4 [ME] (1,365 in chips)
Seat 8: Dealer (2,185 in chips)
Seat 2: Small Blind (2,970 in chips)
Seat 6: Big Blind (1,470 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG (1,385 in chips)
Seat 7: UTG+1 (1,430 in chips)
Dealer : Set dealer [5]
Small Blind : Small blind 15
Big Blind : Big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
UTG+2 : Card dealt to a spot [5d 9s]
UTG+3 : Card dealt to a spot [3c 7d]
UTG+4 [ME] : Card dealt to a spot [7h 7s]
Dealer : Card dealt to a spot [3h 3s]
Small Blind : Card dealt to a spot [Kd Ac]
Big Blind : Card dealt to a spot [9d 2c]
UTG : Card dealt to a spot [8d Qh]
UTG+1 : Card dealt to a spot [Jh Kc]
UTG : Folds
UTG+1 : Call 30
UTG+2 : Folds
UTG+3 : Folds
UTG+4 [ME] : Call 30
Dealer : Raises 120 to 120
Small Blind : Call 105
Big Blind : Folds
UTG+1 : Call 90
UTG+4 [ME] : All-in(raise) 1335 to 1365
Dealer : Folds
Small Blind : Folds
UTG+1 : Folds
UTG+4 [ME] : Return uncalled portion of bet 1245
UTG+4 [ME] : Does not show [7h 7s] (High Card)
UTG+4 [ME] : Hand Result 510
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(510)
Seat+4: UTG+2 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+1: UTG+3 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+9: UTG+4 510 [Does not show]
Seat+8: Dealer Folded on the FLOP
Seat+2: Small Blind Folded on the FLOP
Seat+6: Big Blind Folded on the FLOP
Seat+3: UTG Folded on the FLOP
Seat+7: UTG+1 Folded on the FLOP



Hand 4
3527900675 TT, big bluff is this a good move?
Ignition Hand #3527900675: HOLDEM Tournament #18105552 TBL#1, No Limit- Level 5 (75/150) - 2017-05-13 23:51:08
Seat 4: UTG+1 (2,945 in chips)
Seat 9: UTG+2 [ME] (1,685 in chips)
Seat 8: Dealer (2,115 in chips)
Seat 2: Small Blind (1,975 in chips)
Seat 6: Big Blind (2,195 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG (2,585 in chips)
Dealer : Set dealer [5]
Small Blind : Small blind 75
Big Blind : Big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
UTG+1 : Card dealt to a spot [Ah 6d]
UTG+2 [ME] : Card dealt to a spot [Td Ts]
Dealer : Card dealt to a spot [9d 4h]
Small Blind : Card dealt to a spot [As Qs]
Big Blind : Card dealt to a spot [Jc Th]
UTG : Card dealt to a spot [Qh 4c]
UTG : Folds
UTG+1 : Folds
UTG+2 [ME] : Raises 500 to 500
Dealer : Folds
Small Blind : Call 425
Big Blind : Folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks Kh 2s]
Small Blind : Checks
UTG+2 [ME] : All-in 1185
Small Blind : Folds
UTG+2 [ME] : Return uncalled portion of bet 1185
UTG+2 [ME] : Does not show [Td Ts] (Two pair)
UTG+2 [ME] : Hand Result 1150
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(1150)
Board [Ks Kh 2s ]
Seat+4: UTG+1 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+9: UTG+2 1150 [Does not show]
Seat+8: Dealer Folded on the FLOP
Seat+2: Small Blind Folded on the FLOP
Seat+6: Big Blind Folded on the FLOP
Seat+3: UTG Folded on the FLOP


hand 5
3527902148 all in with mid pocket pair, Is this a good move?
Ignition Hand #3527902148: HOLDEM Tournament #18105552 TBL#1, No Limit- Level 5 (75/150) - 2017-05-13 23:55:05
Seat 4: UTG+2 (4,055 in chips)
Seat 9: Dealer [ME] (2,110 in chips)
Seat 8: Small Blind (1,605 in chips)
Seat 2: Big Blind (1,175 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG (1,970 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG+1 (2,585 in chips)
Dealer [ME] : Set dealer [3]
Small Blind : Small blind 75
Big Blind : Big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
UTG+2 : Card dealt to a spot [3c 7d]
Dealer [ME] : Card dealt to a spot [6h 6d]
Small Blind : Card dealt to a spot [8h 8d]
Big Blind : Card dealt to a spot [2h 3h]
UTG : Card dealt to a spot [6s Ts]
UTG+1 : Card dealt to a spot [4d Qd]
UTG : Folds
UTG+1 : Folds
UTG+2 : Folds
Dealer [ME] : Call 150
Small Blind : All-in(raise) 1530 to 1605
Big Blind : Folds
Dealer [ME] : Call 1455
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9h Td]
*** TURN *** [Kh 9h Td] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 9h Td 5c] [8c]
Dealer [ME] : Showdown [6h 6d Kh Td 9h] (One pair)
Small Blind : Showdown [8h 8d 8c Kh Td] (Three of a kind)
Small Blind : Hand Result 3360
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(3360)
Board [Kh 9h Td 5c 8c]
Seat+4: UTG+2 Folded on the FLOP
Seat+9: Dealer lose with One pair [6h 6d-6h 6d Kh Td 9h]
Seat+8: Small Blind 3360 with Three of a kind [8h 8d-8h 8d 8c Kh Td]
Seat+2: Big Blind Folded on the FLOP
Seat+6: UTG Folded on the FLOP
Seat+3: UTG+1 Folded on the FLOP

hand converter for the love of god

1) it's an odd sizing, basically saying he's not folding, probably wants to commit enough that he won't fold on a flop if an ace hits
2) raise more pre, if you're going to continue on the flop then don't minbet, that's effectively a check with added misclick equity
3) limp pre in an stt seems fine but limp-jamming over the raise is just awful, if you're going to do that then just raise the first time, then at least if someone plays back at you you can fold rather than get stacked
4) jam pre, as played flop shove is standard
5) fold pre, fold to shove

Tried using the hand converter and it didn't work...

anyone know of a hand converter that converts ignition hands?

sorry for dblpost just had questions.

2)so is min-betting the same as value betting? Maybe I did not bet enough on the flop or maybe a check would have been appropriate since I'm UTG at that point.

3) limp raising over the top like that is dangerous because it makes look like I have a 1% range like AA/KK/QQ?
so in the case depending on the game, raise 3x when late position pre? or 3bet light on the flop?

4) so what I did was reasonable??...was unsure since I had TT and was unsure if he had KK/KT/KJ/AK and was beat by miles.

5) so fold pre because I am not getting 2-1 pot odds? Or is it because of the fact that we are in high-blinds and it's clear that I'm beat?

A value bet is simply a bet that gets called by worse hands. You can min-bet for value (to get called by a lot of hands, but only win a small amount each time) or you can overbet 5x pot (which gets called less often, but wins much more when it does). More commonly, you bet a medium size, such that the frequency of calls multiplied by the sizing results in the maximum long term profit.

@artymcfly so basically that would be like betting 2/3's or half the pot??? I been leaning more towards doing this lately.

Questions.

1. For 6max hyper turbos...do you play a wider range UTG/MP? Also how do you compensate when these turn into a shove contest? Also when do you go into push/shove mode? I tend to do that when below 10bb but since you start with 500chips...not sure when I should go push/shove.

2. For 9man SNG. How do you plan TT/99/88/77 UTG or UTG+1 I have been getting dealt these lately and am a bit unsure. I used to raise 3x with these but have been getting beat by AK/KK/AJ/QQ. Are these just not effective at the beginning? Are these more useful once you drop down to 6man?

3. QQ/JJ I tend to use these for trap/shove preflop. I have been beat a few times by people catching an A or K on the turn. How would you play these postflop if you haven't chosen to shove?

sorry for so many questions...got so much learning to do.

also plan on reading
secrets of sitngo's by Phil Shaw
re-read sit and strategy by colin moshman
professional no limit holdem by matt flynn,sunny mehta, ed miller
and heads up no limit by colin moshman

Not only is some of your reading material massively out of date, it is covering totally different game types. Clearly you are a complete noob (from your questions) and your approach is a guaranteed fail (been there, done that).

Also saying things like the HH doesn't work and posting a wall of text is unacceptable, so you need to get that sorted, like everyone else has to.

My advice FWIW...

Find the type of game you enjoy the most and stick to it.
Use only current training material pertinent to that game type (this might not be a book)
Post lots of hands, in the correct format, in the the relevant sub forum.
Read some of Jared Tendlers mindset stuff, so you can cope with variation (it will be way worse than you currently imagine)

GL

FWIW your not helpful. I'm not gonna explain why none of this is helpful.
Frankly your full of your own ego.
You gotta go bother somebody else because you are very childish(been there, done that)
Beyond that I got nothing else to say. My bad for asking questions too much ego....

1. 6 max hyper turbos are pretty much shove and pray type games based more on luck. I wouldn't try to build your roll on those, but that's just me. I would focus on regular speed full ring games so that you can let others knock themselves out and if you make mistakes, you have plenty of time to chip back up. This is what I recommend if you play sit and gos and your new to the format. To answer your initial question though, I open a lot wider and am much more aggressive in hyper games like this. The chip count is just too low and the blinds go up way to fast to try and be conservative.

2. Start thinking about what hands you open with in the various positions. I would write down your opening ranges. For those hands listed, I raise all of those from UTG and UTG1. You don't have to go 3x if you don't want to....2.5 will probably be fine. As for losing to superior hands....I cant say much because I don't know how you play. You cant play scared though and be worried every time you raise 10's and get a caller. You have to start thinking about your range, your opponents range, and how the flop interacts with these ranges.

3. You don't always have to shove QQ and JJ especially if there is a lot of pre-flop action. It's fine to see a flop and reevaluate.


A lot of your questions cant be answered due to them being player specific and situational. What kind of player am I playing after flop? What kind of image do you have? How has the action been thus far?

As for your books, the other poster made a good comment about not choosing so many different variations of poker to study at once. That's a good way to easily confused. If you plan on sticking with sit and gos then just study sit and gos. Don't ready a head up book, then a tourney book, then a cash book, etc etc.

+1

1. understood, just play these sparingly. Focus more on grinding the 9man table and occasionally putting cash in to help move the br along till I'm about $150-200 to move onto the $3 triple ups.

2. Guess that would lead to another question on putting people on ranges.
It's just also hard to tell if your beat with TT/99/88/77 post flop vs QQ/JJ

3. understood, just have to be a bit more patient with those two.

About books, last SNG book I saw was crushing SNG's by greg jones and this was in 2013. I don't want to get into an argument about the books, I just wanted to pull ideas from certain ones at least when playing heads up and understanding the whole point about SPR but I assume that is less important.

Poker HUD & Database

NL Holdem $-20(BB)
BTN ($1446)
SB ($1415)
BB ($1394)
UTG ($1440)
EP ($1355)
MP ($1380)
HERO ($1610)
HJ ($1160)
CO ($2300)

Dealt to Hero A 9

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP Folds, HERO Calls $20 (Rem. Stack: 1590), HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $65 (Rem. Stack: 1381), SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $45 (Rem. Stack: 1545)

Flop ($160) A J A
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $120 (Rem. Stack: 1261), HERO Raises To $360 (Rem. Stack: 1185), BTN Calls $240 (Rem. Stack: 1021)

Turn ($880) A J A T
HERO Bets $440 (Rem. Stack: 745), BTN Folds

HERO wins $1320

tried converting this from DriveHud...

lost 5 times only finished ITM once.

Question was digging through sit and go strategy and reviewed appendix D

saw hand vs random hand example charts.

72o vs random hand 35 to 65
AA vs random hand 85 to 15
22 vs random hand 51 to 49
54s vs random hand 41 to 59
QT vs random hand 57 to 43
J5 vs random hand 47 to 53
98o vs random hand 48 to 52

just wanted to get some clarification here.

so for example 98o your 48% chance to win and 52% chance to lose?
is there a way to convert this odds? like 7-1 or 3-2?

80:20 is 4:1 (e.g. overpair vs underpair)
75:25 is 3:1 (dominating hand vs dominated hand like AK v AQ)
60:40 is 3:2 (one over and one under vs two middling cards, like AJ v KQ)
50:50 is 1:1 (a coin flip like JTs vs 55)

These numbers are not particularly useful though, as you rarely know exactly what hand you're up against. It's more useful to know how your hand plays against a range.
For example, if villain jams TT+/AJ+, then JJ has 50% equity (flipping vs the range), 55 has 40% (flipping vs the unpaired overs, but in terrible shape vs bigger pairs), KQs has 34%, ATo has 27% (crushed), 72o has 24% (couldn't be much worse).

I think I get it.

I guess as an example for a HUSNG with blinds at 100/200
Hero: 4000
Villain(btn): 8100

So let's say I have 7(d)7(h)
Villain raises 3x bb to make pot 700
Villain is a LAG and we put him on range AKs - QTo

so with that said if I shoved all-in vs that range hero would have fairly terrible equity? since hero would have a middling pair vs overcards?

I know the better call here would be to fold. Just wondering.

Also what if hero's stack was 1800? At this point I would think I would have to shove. Despite the equity and villain having good pot odds.