Villian is 50/2/2 with a TOT cold call raiser of 45 and a won hands % of 20.

call imo
odds r jus way too good
i guess u make it closer on river tho when u bet turn.. had u not bet turn theres a higher chance he can still hav 55-77/random bluffs..

on turn, i might bet with like J high+gutter or K high + gutter
but u have SDV with 88, u can ch n let him bluff cuz he would think u have nothing on the flop n can call light looking to take it away later

I whould also note that it was 7 handed, some people were sitting out, and BB was 23/0/0/0.0/0.0/0 (XX/YY/ZZ/TOT 3 bet/TOT cold call raiser/Won hand %).

Just check the turn. You're not going to get him to fold better and he won't call with worse too often either. Fold if he bets.

+1 to checking the turn. What do you expect to get value from - 55, 66? Now consider all the A hi hands that just made TP, all the K hi hands he'll probably fold and the hands you were already behind.

Check-fold the turn. The ace is not a good card to bet. At certain stakes, an ace might be a "scare card" that you can use to win the pot by bluffing, but at 2NL and in freerolls, villains love peeling one off with ace high, especially on paired flops.

I'm in the check-fold turn, because he is never calling worse, and never folding better, with the exception of a few hands, but those hands I don't think make out the majority of his range.

I guess this is an easy ck/fold on turn. Was it an appropriate c-bet or should that be 1/2 pot on flop?

uh how the fks it a "EASY" ch/fold on turn? hes ****ing 50/2.. jesus.. if people like him just bet everytime regardless of their holdings on turn u would be 100% crushed by these ****ing fish

They mostly don't though because they're 50/2. Against the type who do, I am frequently checking aces and especially queens on this turn and sometimes betting air as well. 99 isn't strong enough to check call but it shouldn't be treated like a no pair hand either, since if he wants to check the hand down we're all for that.

You can't be putting money in on the turn here. You are only 50% to win against top 50% of hands preflop (a range which includes things like T8o and 65s) and you're up against a guy who has called a flop bet and now has position on you.

Im not saying putting money in on turn, thats not good.. but if u check turn, and villain has floatyed thisflop thats VERY EASY to float on.. isnt he very likely to bet wiht like ALL of his floated range?..which obv includes aton of air that ur ahead of

So should I be ck/f on the turn or not? The guy obvuiously doesn't know how to play so I doubt he is floating anything here.

Don't understand this. The only alternative to putting money in on the turn is checking and then folding if he bets.

Assuming he is the sort of player who is capable of this (which isn't clear from the OP) the way to own him is to make trap checks with actual hands on the turn and to bet with air to punish him for floating. Not to try to own him with 99.

99 just does not do very well against his range. The problem is looking at it with a binary "ahead" or "behind" mindset. When you're behind here, you are in serious trouble equity-wise, winning less than 5% of the time. When he's behind, he frequently has things like KJ or JT that win somewhere between 20 and 25 percent of the time.

If this were the river you could certainly check and call. But when you have to face another street out of positioned, he just has to work a few bluffs into his river value betting range and it is going to chew up too much equity. In poker you can't attempt to win every single pot that is rightfully yours from out of position. It's like if someone steals from the cutoff and you have A6o. You have odds to defend your blind in the sense that if you just called and then ran the board out, that would make a profit. But you can't do it because your hand has no playing strength and you're going to get owned postflop. It's the same here calling on the turn and then having to face the river out of position with such a weak hand.

so are we betting for value or as a bluff? otf it looks like its for a value, then you changed your mind and turned it into a bluff and then checked cause you realised you had sd value and then called cause you have the best hand?

whats your thought process on the hand? why did you double barrel, c/c river? honestly its not a horrible line to take at an 0.01 tourney, against a station. but its just bad because your abit confused on if your thin value betting or bluffing..

Considering the title of the thread I'm guessing he thought the turn was thin value.

Just realised I've been putting 99 in every post when the actual hand is 88. Same same but different.

I thought there was a good chance Villian had absolutley nothing on flop and was just calling because he was obviously a calling station and thought he would fold turn bet if he again had absolutley nothing with no draws ect. When he bet the river I knew there was a good chance I was beat but thought I was getting a good price in case he had air and was betting small so he wouldn't loose much if I called.

stations are stations, because they dont fold.. so that means your bet ott is a bluff which is generally bad against a station, and worse in a 0.01 tourney. i really dont see many bluffs that you beat, he would check alot of his pp's otr and obv not good enough to get thin value from Q just because, well his a fish. so i guess we beat k high? but his with betsizing/his a fish i find it hard to ever find a bluff in this spot. so yes sure we are getting the odds to call, but sometimes we are better off saving ourselfs to money/chips because his going to show the winner more often than not.

if we were to play this hand again, c-betting is probably not the best against a 50/0 as we dont expect him to fold much, but we can c-bet to get a value out of his broadway hands that his stupid enough to peel with. once the ace drops tho, we shut down and start "soulreading" i dont mind c/f or c/c turn but i hate double barreling. if we c/c, and river bricks we can make some hero calls. but when it pairs, i find it hard to believe villian is bluffing enough for us to call here so its almost always c/f. stations love getting to showdown and dont bluff much, so yeah forget about maths for a minute and think logically and how bad bluffcatching is against this player.

Wat. C-betting is the bomb on that flop. You're crushing his range. A c-bet isn't always a bluff.

might want to re-read it again...

I guess you mean cbetting is generally not best against a 50-0, across all the situations where we might cbet. The sentence isn't very clear.

Well, what I got from what you are trying to say is that I shouldn't c-bet with 88 on this flop......

i dont really explain things that well, so work with me here.

generally its bad to c-bet against stations unless its for phat value especially oop, in this situation i dont mind c/c flop or c-betting for value, if the board runs out right i guess we could squeeze out 1 or 2 streets for a value. but for a beginner its much harder to squeeze thin value out, not to mention we are oop and the tournament structure is most likely turbo? so its just not the best spot to be c-betting for thin value.

if this was a cash game, c-betting here is fine imo but still hard to squeeze it out. not sure if ive explained this well tho, let me know.