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Is there a software to tell my outs? Is there a software to tell my outs?

08-28-2016 , 10:42 AM
I am using Equilab(I could not download pokerstove and have read that Equilab is better), ok onto my question:

I was trying to figure my odds and outs for a range:

Hero: 33

Villain range: KO(offsuit), KQ(suited)

Board:5310


I punch my numbers into Equilab and I get that I have about 93% equity against that range of the villain and the villain has the other 6% equity.

What I want to know, is how many and what outs the villain has? Is there a software that can do this?

Thanks.
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08-28-2016 , 10:58 AM
I'm not sure I understand the question but villain has no immediate outs unless he has specifically KdQd in which case he can catch any diamond but a 10.
He can also win by catching a running straight (ace high or king high).
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08-28-2016 , 12:43 PM
Interesting question. I haven't come across software that does this, but I believe it could be partially (from my understanding) that most software that determine equity, at least the one's I used, do not do so via math formula of "outs" but rather via a run of multi simulations to showdown (for example 10000 runs or more) and then recording which hand wins how often at showdown. I guess both methods calculate the same, but in sims there is no need to determine number of "outs" to improve and then number of "outs" to win a hand. Just a run and evaluation of winning and loosing hand frequency at showdown. Also your "outs" to just improve your hand for example to a pair, 2 pair, straight, flush...and to actually win at showdown will be different as well as they will be different on a street by street basis so the software would need to determine both to display "all" of your outs.

Not sure why you'd be interested in that?
Interested to see if there is such software out there.
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08-28-2016 , 01:35 PM
Equilab has the pie chart button to analyze how the opponents range hits the flop. The button next to the equity box should light up after entering the flop and clicking evaluate. Under tools is the scenario analyser, this tells you how hot the turn/river cards are for your opponents range. When analyzing range vs range, the outs are not as important as what cards help your appointment and what helps you. You can of course count how many cards help you vs your appointment and get an idea of who has more "outs"

The scenario analyzer is probably what your looking for. (Under tools)
Also check out the pie chart button if you haven't already, It took me a while to figure out it existed...
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08-28-2016 , 01:52 PM
well clearly his outs are runner runner straight or making a flush
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08-28-2016 , 04:41 PM
You can still download pokerstove 124.exe here. Click on view Raw in the middle of the screen and it will download. Pokerstove and equilab both have their uses imo.

https://github.com/andrewprock/poker...veSetup124.exe
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08-28-2016 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by parandy
What I want to know, is how many and what outs the villain has? Is there a software that can do this?
Knowing your equity is more useful than knowing your "outs", because of redraws.
e.g. In another spot, you could flop a set, and villain turns a flush, but you river a boat. He has 9 outs to make the flush, but then you have a redraw of 10 outs to a boat or quads. Equilab works out your winning chance from the point that you get all in, so the number of immediate outs isn't very useful. (The hand doesn't end on the turn).

In the example in the thread, if villain has KQo with a diamond, he has to go runner-runner to beat a flopped set. There is no turn card that gives him the best hand, but he can pick up a straight draw or flush draw (and has to avoid the board pairing if he makes a flush). e.g. the board could bring a 9 and a jack, or a jack and an ace, or two more diamonds that don't pair the board. Each runner-runner possibility is only worth about 1%, but working out the probabilities of each of them leads to the equity. Equilab does this more accurately than using your fingers and toes.
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08-28-2016 , 05:57 PM
Don't study that hand as "outs" use the scenario analyser to determine how the turn cards change the equity of your hand/range vs villains. Range.
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08-29-2016 , 11:55 AM
Thanks for replys guys, I will try all of the things, you guys say, thanks again. I thought knowing your outs were more important but now I think I understand. I will be back with more stupid questions.

Last edited by parandy; 08-29-2016 at 12:01 PM.
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08-29-2016 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JudoChop
You can still download pokerstove 124.exe here. Click on view Raw in the middle of the screen and it will download. Pokerstove and equilab both have their uses imo.

https://github.com/andrewprock/poker...veSetup124.exe

Thanks Judo, I thought pokerstove was not working anymore.
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08-29-2016 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Knowing your equity is more useful than knowing your "outs", because of redraws.
e.g. In another spot, you could flop a set, and villain turns a flush, but you river a boat. He has 9 outs to make the flush, but then you have a redraw of 10 outs to a boat or quads. Equilab works out your winning chance from the point that you get all in, so the number of immediate outs isn't very useful. (The hand doesn't end on the turn).

In the example in the thread, if villain has KQo with a diamond, he has to go runner-runner to beat a flopped set. There is no turn card that gives him the best hand, but he can pick up a straight draw or flushed draw (and has to avoid the board pairing if he makes a flush). e.g. the board could bring a 9 and a jack, or a jack and an ace, or two more diamonds that don't pair the board. Each runner-runner possibility is only worth about 1%, but working out the probabilities of each of them leads to the equity. Equilab does this more accurately than using your fingers and toes.
Thanks Arty, I thought it was the other around, outs were more important.
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08-29-2016 , 04:05 PM
Knowing your outs is good, I was just saying when you study with equilabs analyzer tool learn how the different cards change the equity of the range you are studying. You will understand when you play around with it a bit. Its pretty cool. When your thinking in terms of range vs range outs are not very useful. Knowing how the next card effects the equity of your range and your opponents range is.

Last edited by outfit; 08-29-2016 at 04:21 PM.
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