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Old 03-16-2013, 07:12 AM   #1
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theory vs. reality and winning money

So, how do people actually win online?

I have read books, I have even independently scrutinized the math and I actually understand it, I have played hundreds and hundreds of hands. I have improved a lot, but I am still about dead even with rake. It seems like theory goes out the window when you are playing actual games and it really all comes down to beating up on fish. Is this really what it's all about? If that is so, I'm not sure I even want to continue playing the game.

For instance, ICM goes out the window if the other players aren't actually acting in their best interest. It works in 2-player but not always in multi-player. Particularly in double-up, the chip bully can just call with anything if he feels like being an a-hole, and his bad move is actually bad for both of you in some such situations.

So, what games should I play if I actually want to WIN without having to resort to too many slimy tactics. I just want to play straight poker. But it seems like even the mini-stakes (4.60 and lower) games are filled with people who know what they are doing. Any advice appreciated.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:16 AM   #2
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move up a level where they respect your raises
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:21 AM   #3
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You mean SNG eh

Learning how to count outs does not suffice to win nowadays

You'll have delve into ICM
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:21 AM   #4
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Hundreds and hundreds of hands ??
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:25 AM   #5
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OP, you do understand ICM results change based on villains' calling frequencies? If there's a CL who is going to call very wide, the correct adjustment is to narrow your jamming range.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:45 AM   #6
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I think people get so angry at this because they're angry at themselves for being stupid enough to lose to a so called fish. (edit: not hating, i saw this in myself a long time ago)

Frying fish is an art form all by it's self. There are many kinds of terrible player and it's up to you to figure out what type they are and adjust your strat accordingly. That *is* poker.

If you just want to play by a pre-defined set of rules with everyone on the same page, this game probably isn't for you.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:40 AM   #7
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move up a level where they respect your raises
Ignore things like this.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:40 AM   #8
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Like anything, practice, work hard, improve, then look over it, plug your leaks and slowly move up...
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:30 AM   #9
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Frying fish is an art form all by it's self. There are many kinds of terrible player and it's up to you to figure out what type they are and adjust your strat accordingly. That *is* poker.

If you just want to play by a pre-defined set of rules with everyone on the same page, this game probably isn't for you.
+1 to this. I have spent years looking for a "silver bullet". Through these forums I am beginning to realise that the correct answer on how to play a hand is "it depends". My hope is to learn on what and hopefully spot it and apply it at the table.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:11 PM   #10
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his bad move is actually bad for both of you in some such situations.
You're saying that if villain is playing bad its bad for you too?
Go play against Phil Ivey, I'm sure he'll play optimal so you can beat him.

No but really, review your sessions if you made right decisions on important hands. Also, you say you have played 100s and 100s of hands. Try playing a lot more and see how you are doing.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:39 PM   #11
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Hundreds and hundreds of hands ??
Hundreds and thousands of hands

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Old 03-16-2013, 07:54 PM   #12
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I have read books, I have even independently scrutinized the math and I actually understand it
Actually you probably dont.... Or at the very least you are likely tilted cos you just lost today and don't understand HOW to apply what you think you understand from the books you read.

It's okay to not quite get it - everyone was a beginner once - but do understand that your post is all over the place and contains flawed logic and the sooner you acknowledge that you have a lot to learn the sooner you can get better at poker quicker. Seriously
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:19 PM   #13
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:25 PM   #14
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move up a level where they respect your raises
Actually, I've read 4 poker books and watched over 200hrs of training videos and I'm not entirely sure that they DO respect your raises. I'll have to watch another 400hrs of vids at least to decide for sure though.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:53 PM   #15
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Actually, I've read 4 poker books and watched over 200hrs of training videos and I'm not entirely sure that they DO respect your raises. I'll have to watch another 400hrs of vids at least to decide for sure though.
Next you'll be telling us that people say 'move up to where they respect your raises' as some kind of joke !




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